NCAA P/DH : pitcher stays as DH

[jmeeks]

Rule 5-5c AR
Unsure if this refers to 9 or 10 man lineup or if it matters?

Question: If P/DH is removed, is coach required to announce then that he will remain as DH? (if he doesn't is that player done)
I realize it could have been prevented had I asked, but fact is I didn't and op coach knew it.

Thanks

[DG]

Originally Posted by jmeeks

Rule 5-5c AR
Unsure if this refers to 9 or 10 man lineup or if it matters?

Question: If P/DH is removed, is coach required to announce then that he will remain as DH? (if he doesn't is that player done).

Thanks

If it is 10 man lineup the P is not P/DH. The A.R. seems clear, if P is removed as P and expected to remain as DH coach must say so. If he listed him as P/DH on the starting lineup (many do) then I would not pick nits with him if he failed to mention when removing.

[socalblue1]

With the P/DH it depends on when he is removed from the game. (From your post I assume while on defense). As the NCAA DH rules is the most screwed up ... OK, that's a different topic!

In this situation I simply intercept the head coach on hos way to the dugout and ask. If the pitching coach made the change I will walk toward the dugout and ask the head coach. It's a simple thing that will prevent a potential crap storm.

[bob jenkins]

Based on what's posted on a different board, what JMeeks is really asking:

NCAA rules. 9 man line-up (P/DH). Coach changes pitchers (I assume while on defense). Nothing is said about the DH, nor does the umpire ask.

What happens when the original pitcher shows up to hit (in the "correct spot") the next inning?

IMO, the original pitcher is NOT still the DH unless something is said during the change. If the change is reported as "Smith for Jones", then that's exactly what it is. If Jones was the P/DH, then Smith is now the P/DH, and JOnes is completely out of the game.

[johnnyg08]

Ahhh yes...the good ol' "Dave Winfield rule"

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Based on what's posted on a different board, what JMeeks is really asking:

NCAA rules. 9 man line-up (P/DH). Coach changes pitchers (I assume while on defense). Nothing is said about the DH, nor does the umpire ask.

What happens when the original pitcher shows up to hit (in the "correct spot") the next inning?

IMO, the original pitcher is NOT still the DH unless something is said during the change. If the change is reported as "Smith for Jones", then that's exactly what it is. If Jones was the P/DH, then Smith is now the P/DH, and JOnes is completely out of the game.

Bob,

In NCAA should we have a P/DH situation and the pitcher is removed while on defense the assumption is no change to the DH unless advised at that time. This has been the answer at every NCAA clinic I have attended.

See my comments above - this is a critical time for the PU to be proactive.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

this is a critical time for the PU to be proactive.

I agree. I don't see (either way) a clear answer in the book.

[jmeeks]

NCAA DH rule.

Pitcher is the DH, same person, 9 man lineup.