First game tommorrow

[DG]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Wrong advice here. If in the B or C (assuming 2 man) how are you going to see the catch, the tag and get in position for a play at a base if you're on the edge of the grass? You have to get in the working area (behind the mound) from there you can see the catch, the tag remember bases juiced or 1st and 2nd you have the tag at 1st and 2nd and all plays in the infield. Edge of the grass no way this can be done.

I believe I can get in position (and have done so many times) to see a catch in the V and the tag at 2B, and move my feet to get in position for the next play. If the ball is deep,. and that would be a very good reason to get on edge of the grass, I have plenty of time to move my feet for the next play. On a deep ball I can get on the edge of the grass in the 2B cutout and there is no way I would miss a tag at 2B. If shallow there is not likely to be a play. If bases are juiced, my partner has tag at 3rd, and I have 2nd. Neither of us has 1B, remember it's 2 man, and you can't do everything in 2 man. If runners on 1st and 2nd I have the catch and the tag at 2B. And, if there is to be a tag with runners on 1st and 2nd that means there are less than 2 outs and my partner will be coming up to 3B to take the runner from 2B into 3B, should he go, so I can stay at 2B for a play on R2 returning or R1 advancing. We covered this situation in pregame.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by DG

I believe I can get in position (and have done so many times) to see a catch in the V and the tag at 2B, and move my feet to get in position for the next play. If the ball is deep,. and that would be a very good reason to get on edge of the grass, I have plenty of time to move my feet for the next play. On a deep ball I can get on the edge of the grass in the 2B cutout and there is no way I would miss a tag at 2B. If shallow there is not likely to be a play. If bases are juiced, my partner has tag at 3rd, and I have 2nd. Neither of us has 1B, remember it's 2 man, and you can't do everything in 2 man. If runners on 1st and 2nd I have the catch and the tag at 2B. And, if there is to be a tag with runners on 1st and 2nd that means there are less than 2 outs and my partner will be coming up to 3B to take the runner from 2B into 3B, should he go, so I can stay at 2B for a play on R2 returning or R1 advancing. We covered this situation in pregame.

No one has the touch and tag at first? Tag at first doesn't happen often but you got to get this call. What are you going to do if there's an overthrow and R1 is standing on second and they appeal first. What's the call? Both teams saw him leave early your crew didn't. It's the U1 job to get the tag and touch at first. You'll have paper work when you get home. Like I said bad advice.

[rngrck]

Ok, bases loaded, deep fly to F8 caught. I'm U2 in C pos. Where am I looking first? Does U1 have 3rd and me 2nd for the tags ups?
How about 1st and 2nd? U2 has 2nd, U1 has 1st?

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by rngrck

Ok, bases loaded, deep fly to F8 caught. I'm U2 in C pos. Where am I looking first? Does U1 have 3rd and me 2nd for the tags ups?
How about 1st and 2nd? U2 has 2nd, U1 has 1st?

UIC Plate Umpire
U1 Field umpire

As U1 First Responsibility Catch No Catch. R2 SHOULD be tagging. If he does be sure he doesn't go early and be ready for the play at third. R1 SHOULD be halfway. You still have to know if R1 tagged or not should he advance. Behind the Pichers Mound you can see the catch and the tag. If no play at third be sure R1 tags up (UIC has touches at third) locate the ball and let it take you to the next play. If there's play on R2 at third you have to get it. UIC at this point has nothing (R3 has already scored) to do and can help on the tag up of R1 at first. Can easily do this without leaving the plate.

Pretty easy if the players do what there supposed to do. However, never assume anything and be ready for anything. You can have the Keystone Cops on the bases. If that happens you do the best you can do. That's why I like to be behind the Pitchers Mound. It's the shortest distance where I have to be when things fall apart.

[RPatrino]

Rngrck:

These are fundamental 2 man mechanics and I suggest you locate a clinic in your area and attend. You really can't learn on a forum like this, IMHO. The only real way to learn is to practice it and be observed and recieve some constructive feedback.

But, to answer your questions. First, PU has all touches and tags at 3rd base and home. On the deep fly to F8, your first responsibility is the catch, so you do need to move toward the edge of the infield grass, while still keeping in mind you have to watch the tag-ups at 2nd AND 1st. You can do this at the edge of the outfield grass. Catch made, signal the out and verbalize, "that's a catch" so your partner can hear you. As the catch is made, begin to move toward the working area, shading toward 3rd, anticipating a play there, either R2 tagging up and advancing to 3rd, or R2 advancing to 3rd on the throw home if R3 is tagging and going. Also remember you have any secondary plays at all the other bases, so this is where the working area is usefull.

R1 and R2, with a deep fly to F8, your approach to the fly ball is the same, however ( you need to cover this in pre-game with your partner) PU will take R2 advancing to 3rd after the tag. You then will have all the other secondary tags and plays at 2nd and 1st. PU never has tags at any base other than 3rd.

Hope this helps.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by DG

I believe I can get in position (and have done so many times) to see a catch in the V and the tag at 2B, and move my feet to get in position for the next play. On a deep ball I can get on the edge of the grass in the 2B cutout and there is no way I would miss a tag at 2B. If shallow there is not likely to be a play. If bases are juiced, my partner has tag at 3rd, and I have 2nd. Neither of us has 1B, remember it's 2 man, and you can't do everything in 2 man.

If you are in the working area, there are many fly balls that will be routine catches where you can position yourself to see 1B, 2B and the timing on the catch.

[DG]

Originally Posted by fitump56

If you are in the working area, there are many fly balls that will be routine catches where you can position yourself to see 1B, 2B and the timing on the catch.

Who told you that in a 2 man system you had responsibility for a catch in the V, a tag at 2B, and a tag at 1B? Where you gonna stand to see a catch in LC, a tag at 2B and a tag at 1B?

[fitump56]

If you are in the working area, there are many fly balls that will be routine catches where you can position yourself to see 1B, 2B and the timing on the catch.

Originally Posted by DG

Who told you that in a 2 man system you had responsibility for a catch in the V, a tag at 2B, and a tag at 1B? Where you gonna stand to see a catch in LC, a tag at 2B and a tag at 1B?

No one told me but no one told me thatpissing in the wind isnt a smart thing to do. I was answering to the poster who said it was impossible to see all three but of course you didn't include that in your rabid Mupppet styled criticism, did you?

Here's a clue, lookup "peripheral vision".

[Four-Oh]

Originally Posted by DG

Who told you that in a 2 man system you had responsibility for a catch in the V, a tag at 2B, and a tag at 1B? Where you gonna stand to see a catch in LC, a tag at 2B and a tag at 1B?

That's exactly what the manual I'm working with says.

http://www.baseball.ca/files/manual2.pdf
Situation 2M-27.

I don't have any other manuals at hand to go by... how do you cover this?

Andrew

[canadaump6]

Based on PBUC mechanics:

-On a trouble flyball, base umpire goes to the edge of the infield grass in the direction the ball was hit.
-On a routine flyball, base umpire goes into the working area a bit behind the mound. No need to make a catch signal on routine catches.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by canadaump6

Based on PBUC mechanics:

-On a trouble flyball, base umpire goes to the edge of the infield grass in the direction the ball was hit.
-On a routine flyball, base umpire goes into the working area a bit behind the mound. No need to make a catch signal on routine catches.

Generally, this is the mechaninc the problem is that too many umpires (American):

1) have no clue to this mechanic
2) Work on small ballfields where the mechanic is straight out silly
3) Can't tell a borerline troubled ball from a routine ball (highly dependent level of play)
4) Too lazy to move

Ad up all of the above, you have the majority of American umpires which are wll crossectioned on this Forum.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman

In the 2 man system, the base umpire is always responsible for all runners tagging up ( except R3 ). Now, the umpire actually seeing the tag up is another story. As umpires, we have to prioritize what we do. Fair/foul..catch/ no catch is out top priority.... runners tagging, IMO, is a distant 3rd. You just have to do the best you can, but don't take your eye off that ball until the fielder demonstates firm and secure possession and volentary release. Then check for tag ups....If you have any doubt whether the runner tagged up...he tagged up!

Base ump has no fair/foul with any runners on.

[mbyron]

The title of this thread is "First game tomorrow." We got a foot of snow last night, and more due today. I'm glad we're getting THAT out of our system -- maybe we'll be able to avoid last year's April snow week.

[Interested Ump]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Base ump has no fair/foul with any runners on.

Whoa there.

I work with a young snort, excellent umpire, runs like a scirocco. He will call me PU off a LF foul ball (trouble) from the C with R3 in a scirocco beat.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Chris_Hickman

In the 2 man system, the base umpire is always responsible for all runners tagging up ( except R3 ). Now, the umpire actually seeing the tag up is another story. As umpires, we have to prioritize what we do. Fair/foul..catch/ no catch is out top priority.... runners tagging, IMO, is a distant 3rd. You just have to do the best you can, but don't take your eye off that ball until the fielder demonstates firm and secure possession and volentary release. Then check for tag ups....If you have any doubt whether the runner tagged up...he tagged up!

Agree with most but if you have a trouble fly ball to center field side with F9, for one of any instances, the BU has tag and catch? We don't play it like that. BU will call off PU, roll out and PU has tag and advance. YMMV