What About This Coach; Dump Him?

[BigUmp56]

This is interesting. Pay attention to the idiot in the stands who sure he knows what the legal size is for a batters box.


Batter Out Of Box?



Tim.

[bob jenkins]

I only watched the first minute or so, but if the box was approximately correct, and the batter stepped out of it (and there didn't seem to be any discussion on this point), then the umpire made the correct call.

The coach "accepted the field" (or whatever the official wording is) when play began.

I stopped watching because the discussion had already become redundant and the umpire should have had the game going. The coach hadn't done anything to get ejected at that point.

I wish you-tube would go away.

[BigUmp56]

You missed the coach pulling out the rule book then, Bob. It was really classy.


Tim.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You missed the coach pulling out the rule book then, Bob. It was really classy.


Tim.

It ain't cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving.........

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

It ain't cool being no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving.........

I didn't know the game was played near Thanksgiving. I do agree that the coach was being "jive" or whatever urban slang you like to use to describe him.


Tim.

[DG]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

You missed the coach pulling out the rule book then, Bob. It was really classy.


Tim.

Actually, at 2:37 of the video one of the assistants crosses the 1b foul line with the book, then he and the other assistant stand there looking at it, with the BU looking at both of them the whole time, and at 3:00 the assistant hands the rule book to the head coach.

Now I ask two different questions. How many would dump the assistant for bringing a rule book on the field? And how many would stand there and watch two assistants look at a rule book without doing anything?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by DG

Actually, at 2:37 of the video one of the assistants crosses the 1b foul line with the book, then he and the other assistant stand there looking at it, with the BU looking at both of them the whole time, and at 3:00 the assistant hands the rule book to the head coach.

Now I ask two different questions. How many would dump the assistant for bringing a rule book on the field? And how many would stand there and watch two assistants look at a rule book without doing anything?

I would have already dumped the manager before it got to the point where the rule book was brought out. As soon as the PU told the guy they weren't going to continue to discuss it and the coach responded "obviously we are because this is ridiculous", I'd have run him.


Tim.

[DG]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I would have already dumped the manager before it got to the point where the rule book was brought out. As soon as the PU told the guy they weren't going to continue to discuss it and the coach responded "obviously we are because this is ridiculous", I'd have run him.


Tim.

Agreed.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I would have already dumped the manager before it got to the point where the rule book was brought out. As soon as the PU told the guy they weren't going to continue to discuss it and the coach responded "obviously we are because this is ridiculous", I'd have run him.


Tim.

OK, you sucked me in.

In another situation, the coach's comment would have gotten him run. But again, this umpire brought this all upon himself in this situation.

[canablue05]

as soon as he brought the rule book out. ejection. although we cannot really see the size of the batters box personally i would have probably wiped the lines out at the beginning of the game if they weren't legal...done some preventative officiating. the whole situation looked bad...physically showing the coach what you'll accept...bad form...

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

This is interesting. Pay attention to the idiot in the stands who sure he knows what the legal size is for a batters box.


Batter Out Of Box?



Tim.

Amusing and the official kept getting hisself in hot water.

As Bob already commented, everyone accepted the playing field in the given condition at the begining of the game. The umpire should have reminded the coach of that right off the bat. Then limited the discussion but, choose to come with statements that kept him in hot water.

I would have not let it go that far myself so chances are real good that I would not have had to throw out the coach. Rule book or not.

Of course I am not quite sure I would have called the kid out either. Controversial box. Get rid of some lines.

[JRutledge]

The main problem I had with the discussion is it went on too long. The umpire made the call and that is it. I would not have even discussed anything with the grounds keeper. If the coach did not agree with the size of the box, then he should have said something before the game.

Another problem I would have had was where the other umpire was during most of this discussion. Then when that other umpire came and I said enough, I would have walked away from him. He follows me and then we have a problem and likely an ejection. Also bringing out the rulebook would have also been a big no-no. The discussion just went on too long about the same thing over and over again.

Peace

[Bulldog]

I agree with you.

What do you think the base umpire did wrong? Look at the base umpire approach the conversation and stand at the dirt cut out. Would you as a base umpire get involved in this discussion or do you consider the call to be judgment.

[BigUmp56]

I let my partner fight his own battles.

Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bulldog

I agree with you.

What do you think the base umpire did wrong? Look at the base umpire approach the conversation and stand at the dirt cut out. Would you as a base umpire get involved in this discussion or do you consider the call to be judgment.

I think it depends on who you are working with. But I would discuss in the pre-game with my partner that if I walk away, then you need to begin to intervene.

I guess a lot of this depended on the conversation these two individual had before the game. I know that I am not as possessive of an argument that I am involved in and if the conversation is getting too long, I would like a person to get the game back into focus. The problem is many umpires feel they need to continue the argument and have no one interfere in any way. This is what I think umpires do so badly when we are more concerned about how much weakness we show instead of moving things along.

Peace