Starting pitcher reentering the game to pitch??

[GarthB]

From post 19:

Originally Posted by oyaisee

I was doing this game about a week ago and Lucky I had the bases because I didnt know the rule. It was a tournament and the kids were about 14 or so.

From post 32:

Originally Posted by oyaisee

I worked the MSBL WS this year I just got back.

[oyaisee]

I worked some games on Saturday for a local assigner at the Peoria some USA baseball travel league stuff.... sorry for the confusion

[oyaisee]

Originally Posted by GarthB

From post 19:




From post 32:

What Garth are you Jealous? You ever work that high level of ball? I worked the 30+ Championship game? I know not everyone can't get off for 3 weeks and go work baseball in the desert but I did! and I'm getting better!

[JJ]

Somebody pull the plug on this guy. He doesn't know the rules for ANY level, doesn't have a rule book for ANY game he works, and he lies about when and where and how much he works. He's wasting intelligent umpire's time.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by celebur

In MLB, pitching is very specialised, so you don't see pitchers moving to another fielding position and then back again. But just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't allowed.

So long as the former pitcher is still in the game (hasn't been subbed) and hasn't been ruled ineligible to pitch, there is no rule that says he can't return to pitch again. Therefore, he can.

Anybody remember in 1986 when Davey Johnson swapping Roger McDowell and Jesse Orosco between pitching and left field in a game against the Reds?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by waltjp

Anybody remember in 1986 when Davey Johnson swapping Roger McDowell and Jesse Orosco between pitching and left field in a game against the Reds?

Dave Winfield did it in college AND the pros. Happens a lot in college - the pitcher is frequently the best athlete and plays other positions when it's not his day to pitch, and then gets pressed into service to get that "big" out.

JJ

[oyaisee]

no I'm talking about the starting pitcher starting the game... the coach comes out and puts him on first base. puts the first baseman in center then brings the center fielder in to pitch to one batter. after he strikes this one batter out he brings back in the starting pitcher.

Would they lose the DH in college?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by oyaisee

What Garth are you Jealous? You ever work that high level of ball? I worked the 30+ Championship game? I know not everyone can't get off for 3 weeks and go work baseball in the desert but I did! and I'm getting better!

First time I've ever seen the words "high level of ball" associated with MSBL.

No, I'm not jealous of anyone who is too much of either a coward or liar to use his real identity on the internet.

[oyaisee]

aw come on man... you started it.... and go ahead a call me Coward-Jones

Look I'm looking for an answer College DH rule

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by oyaisee

aw come on man... you started it.... and go ahead a call me Coward-Jones

Look I'm looking for an answer College DH rule

Here is a good oppurtunity to get familiar with a small NCAA rule??????


Designated Hitter
SECTION 2. a. The designated hitter (DH) is a player designated to bat
for the starting pitcher and all subsequent pitchers. The DH may bat in
any position in the lineup, and this position cannot be changed. The DH
must be so designated before the game and included in the lineup cards
presented to the umpire-in-chief. In this case, the team actually is using
10 players, with the pitcher not listed in the batting order.

b. It is not mandatory that a player be designated to bat for the pitcher. If
the pitcher is listed in the starting batting order, the pitcher automatically
becomes the DH. In this case, the pitcher is to be considered as two
players, both pitcher and DH, and can be substituted for as such.
Note: For substitution purposes, the pitcher is not to be considered a defensive position.

c. The designated hitter is subject to the following conditions:
Pitcher or DH is moved to a defensive position (10-player lineup)
(1) If the DH is not the pitcher and the DH or the pitcher is moved to a
defensive position (this change must be made when the team is on
defense):
(a) The DH is terminated for the remainder of the game.
(b) The pitcher being placed at a defensive position must bat in
place of the defensive player removed, unless more than one
substitution is made. The coach must designate their positions in
the batting order at that time (see 5-5-e and 5-5-e A.R.).
(c) If only one substitution is made, the new pitcher must bat in the
previous spot of the DH.
A.R. 1—Multiple substitution, used for the purpose of changing the batting order, does not occur unless two new players (not including the pitcher going to a defensive position) are brought into the game.
A.R. 2—The DH is moved to a defensive position and the pitcher remains in the game as
the pitcher. If the DH is placed at a defensive position, the DH is terminated. The former
DH, who now is a defensive player, must continue to bat in the original DH spot. The
pitcher must bat in the lineup spot of the removed defensive player (see 5-5-d).
A.R. 3—When the designated hitter and the pitcher both enter on defense at the same time, the coach must designate the positions in the batting order of the new pitcher and the previous pitcher.

Game pitcher is not the DH (10-player lineup)
(2) If the game pitcher is not the DH and is replaced as the pitcher, the
replaced pitcher may:
(a) While on offense, 1) replace the DH and bat only in the DH spot.
If the pitcher becomes the DH, the pitcher may not reenter the
game in any other capacity, or 2) pinch hit or pinch run for the
DH only.
(b) While on defense, 1) be moved to a defensive position and
must bat in place of the defensive player removed. The DH is
terminated, or 2) be removed as a pitcher but remain in the game
and bat for the DH. This change must be announced at the time
the pitcher is removed. There is no loss of the DH but the player
may not reenter the contest in any other capacity.
DH is not the pitcher (10-player lineup)
(3) If the DH is not the pitcher and is replaced offensively, the original
DH may replace the pitcher at the time of substitution.
(a) The individual may not return as the DH or in any other
capacity.
(b) There is no loss of the DH.
(c) Once a player leaves the offensive lineup, that player cannot
return offensively.
A.R.—The DH may go in to pitch, then subsequently be relieved as the pitcher and still
remain the DH.
Replaced as a DH (nine-player lineup)
(4) When the P/DH, whether as the starting P/DH or a subsequent one,
is replaced as the DH, the individual may remain in the game as a
pitcher. However:
(a) The P/DH cannot subsequently move to a defensive position.
(b) The P/DH cannot return as the designated hitter.
P/DH replaced as a pitcher (nine-player lineup)
(5) When replaced as the pitcher, the P/DH may:
(a) Remain as the DH and bat only in the DH spot. If remaining a
DH, the individual or a subsequent DH cannot enter the game in
any other capacity (i.e., as the pitcher, defensive player or pinch
runner).
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(b) While on defense, be moved to a defensive position at the time,
but:
(1) The DH is terminated for the remainder of the game.
(2) The P/DH being placed at the defensive position must bat in the
original DH spot.
(3) The new pitcher must bat in the spot of the replaced defensive
player.
(4) If the P/DH goes to a defensive position, the individual may return
as a pitcher once since the P/DH originally was considered as two
different players. If the P/DH was removed as a pitcher on the second
trip of an inning or after the third free trip, the player cannot return
to pitch.
Defensive player becomes the pitcher (nine- or 10-player
lineup)
(6) If a defensive player becomes the pitcher:
(a) The DH is terminated for the remainder of the game.
(b) The DH may assume the defensive player’s position.
(c) Any substitute player who comes in for the defensive player must
bat in the DH spot.
Runner or batter substituted for the DH (nine- or 10-player
lineup)
(7) A runner or batter may be substituted for the DH and then become
the DH.
(a) A replaced DH may remain in the game only as a pitcher and the
change must be announced at the time of substitution.
(b) The DH may not run for any other player in the lineup at any
time.
Pinch hitter enters the game to pitch (nine- or 10-player
lineup)
(8) Once the pinch hitter bats for any player in the batting order and
then enters the game to pitch, the DH’s role is terminated for the
remainder of the game.
(9) A player who is removed from the game cannot re-enter in any
capacity.
Pitcher as a pinch hitter or pinch runner (10-player lineup)
(10) If the lineup change is made while the pitcher’s team is on offense,
the pitcher may pinch hit or pinch run only for the DH and be both.
The pitcher then may be replaced as the DH and remain as the
pitcher.
PENALTY—A violation of this rule requires that the pitcher be
disqualified from the game.
DH ejected from game (nine- or 10-player lineup)
(11) If ejected from the game, the DH may be replaced by another DH.
The DH position is not terminated by the ejection.
A.R.—If the DH also was the pitcher (P/DH), the DH may be replaced by two players—a
pitcher and a DH—or by one player, a P/DH.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Here is a good oppurtunity to get familiar with a small NCAA rule??????


Designated Hitter
SECTION 2. a. The designated hitter (DH)...

Man, I knew his was coming...but geez I was really hoping it wouldn't.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by oyaisee

I did not know that so you can keep switching? How many times an inning can this be done?

Again, it's right in the rules book. Even if you don't have one handy, it's available on-line.

[bossman72]

MLB-

Rule 3.03 Comment: A pitcher may change to another position only once during the same inning;
e.g. the pitcher will not be allowed to assume a position other than a pitcher more than once in the same
inning.
Any player other than a pitcher substituted for an injured player shall be allowed five warm-up
throws. (See Rule 8.03 for pitchers.)

[JJ]

Originally Posted by oyaisee

aw come on man... you started it.... and go ahead a call me Coward-Jones

Look I'm looking for an answer College DH rule

Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened. Read the rule book and be enlightened. And thanks, jice, for clarifying the rule for oyaisee.

JJ

[celebur]

Originally Posted by bossman72

MLB-

Rule 3.03 Comment: A pitcher may change to another position only once during the same inning;
e.g. the pitcher will not be allowed to assume a position other than a pitcher more than once in the same
inning.
Any player other than a pitcher substituted for an injured player shall be allowed five warm-up
throws. (See Rule 8.03 for pitchers.)

Ahh, excellent! Thanks for pointing that out.