batter kicks the ball out of play

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Tim No books with me , TOP or Time of Deflection from catcher.

Some reason, I thought it was from time of Deflection

It's TOP. From the J/R:

A subsequent push of a pitch or in-contact throw occurs when such pitch or throw is errant, but does not have sufficient momentum to enter DBT or to become lodged, and remains on the playing field. The ball itself (not in possession by a fielder) is subsequently pushed (shoved, kicked, bumped, etc.), and the new momentum (not direction) provided to the ball causes it to enter DBT or become lodged. Each runner is awarded two bases beyond his TOP base.


Tim.

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

It's TOP. From the J/R:

A subsequent push of a pitch or in-contact throw occurs when such pitch or throw is errant, but does not have sufficient momentum to enter DBT or to become lodged, and remains on the playing field. The ball itself (not in possession by a fielder) is subsequently pushed (shoved, kicked, bumped, etc.), and the new momentum (not direction) provided to the ball causes it to enter DBT or become lodged. Each runner is awarded two bases beyond his TOP base.


Tim.

So why would R1 not get 2 bases - it's no longer gone into DBT on its own momentum, the ball came to rest and it was kicked out. It would be a 2 base award if the catcher kicked it out. what's the difference?

I say:
1. one base TOP
2. two bases TOP

edit to add: - I just now read the J/R quote thoroughly and my question is answered in it. I hadn't seen anyone answer two bases on the kicked ball, so I was confused.