Chipper Jones - #1 whiner in baseball?

[Jim Porter]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Hey Jim, post Chipper's at bat from the whining incident.

Here it is. The two red dots are the first two pitches of the at-bat and both were called strikes. He ended up walking.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

Here it is. The two red dots are the first two pitches of the at-bat and both were called strikes. He ended up walking.

Well, lookie there. Right in the strike zone.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

Here it is. The two red dots are the first two pitches of the at-bat and both were called strikes. He ended up walking.

Looks like Reed did good job and Larry did what he's most famous for.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

Here it is. The two red dots are the first two pitches of the at-bat and both were called strikes. He ended up walking.

nice posts jim...the gameday feature is nice.

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

Here it is. The two red dots are the first two pitches of the at-bat and both were called strikes. He ended up walking.

The bottom of the strike zone seems kinda high to me.

The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter's stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.

The bottom of the zone on the gameday screen appears to be at the top of the knees.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by BigTex

and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter's stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.

The bottom of the zone on the gameday screen appears to be at the top of the knees.

Just checking, and meaning no insult...you do know the difference between "beneath" the knee and "below" the knee...right?

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Just checking, and meaning no insult...you do know the difference between "beneath" the knee and "below" the knee...right?

No insult taken. I read the definition of the zone as the bottom being the soft soft (or hollow) just south (toward the feet) of the knee cap. Is this not how you interp?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by BigTex

No insult taken. I read the definition of the zone as the bottom being the soft soft (or hollow) just south (toward the feet) of the knee cap. Is this not how you interp?

Nope. "Beneath" in this case could kind of be replaced with "behind" if you use the cap as the knee.

[Forest Ump]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Nope. "Beneath" in this case could kind of be replaced with "behind" if you use the cap as the knee.

and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap.


So that is just another way of saying" The centerline of the kneecap". Right?

That's a phrase that could use some cleaning up.

[t-rex]

Jim,

You state the accuracy is within 2/10ths of an inch.

I have never seen an inch broken down into 10ths before. Are you stating that the accuracy is between 3/16ths and 1/4 of an inch?

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Forest Ump

and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the knee cap.


So that is just another way of saying" The centerline of the kneecap". Right?

That's a phrase that could use some cleaning up.

The centerline of the knee cap is just that. The hollow of the knee is the point at which the knee cap ends (toward the foot). It is not hollow, it is filled with the tendon that connects the knee cap to the lower leg bone.

And this centerline moves, so does the zone, up and down as the knee cap moves up and down as you bend your knee.

Several morons, er less intellectually enhanced umpires, use this variation in the lower part of the strike zone to make their case that your original position as you get in the box is the zone they call. See standing figure in OBR.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Nope. "Beneath" in this case could kind of be replaced with "behind" if you use the cap as the knee.

And your interpretation of this is based on what? How do you get "behind" as being what was intended? Why wouldn't they just say "behind the knee" if that's what they were trying to get at?

Last I checked my patella (which was just now), the hollow of the knee is directly below my kneecap, on the front of my leg, not the backside of it.

From my limited understanding, when they changed the bottom of the strike zone from "top of the knee" to "the hollow beneath the kneecap," it was to make the strike zone bigger. If you look at the diagram in the rule book, the dotted line representing the bottom of the zone intersects the hollow directly beneath the front side of the knee. That line is significantly lower (perhaps an inch or so) than the crease that is "behind" the knee.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

From my limited understanding, when they changed the bottom of the strike zone from "top of the knee" to "the hollow beneath the kneecap," it was to make the strike zone bigger. If you look at the diagram in the rule book, the dotted line representing the bottom of the zone intersects the hollow directly beneath the front side of the knee. That line is significantly lower (perhaps an inch or so) than the crease that is "behind" the knee.

The verbiage is the hollow of the knee. It's crap. It was about "at the knee" so MLB moons without being anatomically correct, whilst swiggin brewskis no doubt, came up with this trash.

For me, if the ball, with pants on and Super X-ray vision "Off", the top of the ball, is at the bend of the knee which I can see protruding outside the pant when B flexes, I got a strike.

Other than that, at close strikes have a hell of a lot more to do with the quality of F1/F2 play. And B play.

[SanDiegoSteve]

There is a hollow directly below (which means beneath) the patella. Everyone has one. It is the visible indentation which I have used to determine the low end of the zone ever since they rewrote the rule. There is no hollow behind the knee.

I majored in Physical Education, which is very similar to pre-med in its classroom studies, with Anatomy, Physiology, and Kinesiology and never once heard of there being a "hollow" on the anterior of the knee. The patellar ligament is directly below the patella, and behind that is the meniscus, which is the hollow of the knee. Behind the leg there is no knee, just a fibrous capsule which separates the femur and tibia.

[Jim Porter]

I should have clarified this -- the virtual batter you see is not accurate. That virtual batter is the same for everybody, except he's on the right side for a right-handed hitter. The strike zone is not properly aligned with the virtual batter. The relationship between the strike zone and each pitch is accurate for each batter, it is just that virtual batter that's not accurate. It is a work in progress, and maybe the virtual batters will be better next year -- but they are just there for show.

I wish I could say more about the sizing of the strike zone, but I've signed a confidentiality agreement and that information is not something I can share.