Help with a situation

[bfiii12]

I'm looking for a little information on a call that I saw the other day.

Runner of 1st and 3rd, 2 outs. A high line shot was hit to the second baseman which he proceeded to drop. The shortstop comes over to cover second. The second baseman picks up the dropped ball and gets the force out at second. Inning over, right? The runner on 3rd crossed home before the 3rd out was made at second. Does the run count?

I would appreciate any input.

[njdevs00cup]

Force out! Inning over! No run!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bfiii12

I'm looking for a little information on a call that I saw the other day.

Runner of 1st and 3rd, 2 outs. A high line shot was hit to the second baseman which he proceeded to drop. The shortstop comes over to cover second. The second baseman picks up the dropped ball and gets the force out at second. Inning over, right? The runner on 3rd crossed home before the 3rd out was made at second. Does the run count?

I would appreciate any input.

No, the run does not count. The third out of the inning was the runner on first base being forced to second base.

MTD, Sr.

[bfiii12]

So the drop ball by the second baseman doesn't change the play? Thanks for your input.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by bfiii12

So the drop ball by the second baseman doesn't change the play? Thanks for your input.

No, it doesn't change the outcome. You need to look at the exception to 4.09 found in OBR.


: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.


Tim.

[DonInKansas]

A force is a force, of course, of course......
And nobody scores on a force, of course.............

[Arnold A.]

Originally Posted by DonInKansas

A force is a force, of course, of course......
And nobody scores on a force, of course.............

Now that funny, I don't care who you are !!!

[officialtony]

Originally Posted by Arnold A.

Now that funny, I don't care who you are !!!

I agree.

That's great ! ! ! ! ! !!

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by DonInKansas

A force is a force, of course, of course......
And nobody scores on a force, of course.............

That is, of course, unless the "force"
Was really an appeal play.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by GarthB

That is, of course, unless the "force"
Was really an appeal play.

Why?

Bob

[ManInBlue]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Why?

Bob

Cuz then it's not a force.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

Cuz then it's not a force.

Of course..............


Tim.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by ManInBlue

Cuz then it's not a force.

If it's not a force, then you're saying the run scores?

[bobbybanaduck]

but what if the appeal play results in a force? then it's an appeal play that IS a force, of course, no?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bobbybanaduck

but what if the appeal play results in a force? then it's an appeal play that IS a force, of course, no?

Yes.

That's why (I'm guessing) Garth put "force" in quotes in his adition to the song. Too many players, coaches and even umpires see the appeal as always being a force since only the base is tagged.