Complaints, Change And Resistance

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fitump56

What I learned is if you take the pay, those who pay take ownership of you. Say all you like, but the psychology is still there. If you don't, then that relationship ends.

You would be wrong. I take the pay every single time and no one owns me. Part of the deal is to get paid. I could give a damn whom pays me for a game. I just want to be paid for what I am there to do. My obligation is only to the assignor or league I may work for. The schools or home team usually pays because that is their obligation to do so.

Peace

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You would be wrong. I take the pay every single time and no one owns me. Part of the deal is to get paid. I could give a damn whom pays me for a game. I just want to be paid for what I am there to do. My obligation is only to the assignor or league I may work for. The schools or home team usually pays because that is their obligation to do so.

Peace

If you think that you are not emotionaly or psychologically influenced by taking pay, you are either in denial and/or out of touch with your real feelings.

I see this constantly on this Forum, and with hundreds of umpires I have worked with. I had the same puffy chested stance myself.

Who wants to admit being under the thumb of the Payor? Especially when we are abused, underpaid and at their whim and call? It is degrading, isn't it?

So the answer is often " no one owns me"; ain't the case. No matter what, if you take the pay, you are owned.

For outward appearance, umps talk tall " I won't do this or that", "I call the shots, not those who pay me". BS, puffy chested talk.

Umps are human beings, with egos, most of us have been terribly abused; we need the paycheck and no one stands up for us. What do we have left?

Puffy chested self esteem. What a sad comment that is on our society that we are so undevalued.

[charliej47]

Originally Posted by fitump56

If you think that you are not emotionaly or psychologically influenced by taking pay, you are either in denial and/or out of touch with your real feelings.

I see this constantly on this Forum, and with hundreds of umpires I have worked with. I had the same puffy chested stance myself.

Who wants to admit being under the thumb of the Payor? Especially when we are abused, underpaid and at their whim and call? It is degrading, isn't it?

So the answer is often " no one owns me"; ain't the case. No matter what, if you take the pay, you are owned.

For outward appearance, umps talk tall " I won't do this or that", "I call the shots, not those who pay me". BS, puffy chested talk.

Umps are human beings, with egos, most of us have been terribly abused; we need the paycheck and no one stands up for us. What do we have left?

Puffy chested self esteem. What a sad comment that is on our society that we are so undevalued.

By your definition everyone is always under someone's thumb. When you pay to have you hair cut, they are under your thumb. When you go to work, you are under your bosses thumb.

Or you can look at it as a business transaction. That is why in the state of Ohio I am labeled a contractor. The HS contracts with me to perform a piece of work under certain conditions and I sign a contract that obligates both of us.

When I "contract" to umpire a ball game, it is under certain conditions. I am an independent contractor performing "piece of work" "umpiring a ball game" for a certain amount of money under established rules that I will enforce and they can not change.

[mbyron]

That must be a record - what was it, 9 ignored posts in a row? How liberating.

[NFump]

If'n I don'ts get paid, how's I ever gonna gets me a HSM to protects me grape when I forgets to WATCH THE F"N BALL!!!!!?

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by NFump

If'n I don'ts get paid, how's I ever gonna gets me a HSM to protects me grape when I forgets to WATCH THE F"N BALL!!!!!?

1) I will send you one of my HSMs

2) With an English learning program diskette in the same box.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That must be a record - what was it, 9 ignored posts in a row? How liberating.

For me it was 8 in a row, but who's counting?

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That must be a record - what was it, 9 ignored posts in a row? How liberating.

such a great feature
for those not using, here is a taste:

[3appleshigh]

it is a great feature, but aren't you dying to see what idiocies come out next, I'm considering an unignore, because I hate not knowing. LOL Then again this feature does keep me smarter.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

it is a great feature, but aren't you dying to see what idiocies come out next, I'm considering an unignore, because I hate not knowing.

Every ignored post has a link in the upper right corner: "View this post"

Frankly, I don't use it much.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

such a great feature.....

The problem is though that you don't know what new name PWL/StevenTyler/FitUmp56 is gonna post under next.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by charliej47

By your definition everyone is always under someone's thumb. When you pay to have you hair cut, they are under your thumb. When you go to work, you are under your bosses thumb.

The answer is simple. Does that person, company or entity pay me; if they do, how important to their existence or lifestyle are those $$$.

Or you can look at it as a business transaction. That is why in the state of Ohio I am labeled a contractor. The HS contracts with me to perform a piece of work under certain conditions and I sign a contract that obligates both of us.

When I "contract" to umpire a ball game, it is under certain conditions. I am an independent contractor performing "piece of work" "umpiring a ball game" for a certain amount of money under established rules that I will enforce and they can not change.

Being an IC means nothing. The only real question is, "Do I need the money
" (either as IC or employee). If you do, then all the chest pounding about how independent we are is nothing but chest pounding. If you really don't, then don't take it.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by fitump56

The answer is simple. Does that person, company or entity pay me; if they do, how important to their existence or lifestyle are those $$$.



Being an IC means nothing. The only real question is, "Do I need the money
" (either as IC or employee). If you do, then all the chest pounding about how independent we are is nothing but chest pounding. If you really don't, then don't take it.

Being an Independent Contrator has nothing to do with being able to work the job anyway you want. It means you are responsible for your taxes, insurance, medical insurance, etc. Which also means that the expenses of performing your job, travel, equipment, dues, some forms of insurance, etc, are deductible from your gross pay.

Independent does not mean being able to change the job desription or " do your own thing".

[Publius]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Being an Independent Contrator has nothing to do with being able to work the job anyway you want. It means you are responsible for your taxes, insurance, medical insurance, etc. Which also means that the expenses of performing your job, travel, equipment, dues, some forms of insurance, etc, are deductible from your gross pay.

Independent does not mean being able to change the job desription or " do your own thing".

Being an independent contractor has a helluva lot to do with being able to work a job the way you want. The control of the choice of methods in completing the work is one of the defining differences between an employee and an IC.

Being an IC doesn't necessarily mean your expenses are fully deductible, either. You have to operate with a profit motive.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Publius

Being an independent contractor has a helluva lot to do with being able to work a job the way you want. The control of the choice of methods in completing the work is one of the defining differences between an employee and an IC.

Being an IC doesn't necessarily mean your expenses are fully deductible, either. You have to operate with a profit motive.

Really?

That may be true if you are cutting grass.

But try making up your own rules for baseball and see how far you get.