Complaints, Change And Resistance

[Jim Porter]

Originally Posted by Publius

They call us independent contractors so our actions or inactions don't reflect upon them. We are not members of league administration.

They call us independent contractors so they don't have to pay for worker's compensation insurance.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

They call us independent contractors so they don't have to pay for worker's compensation insurance.

More than that. No requirement for withholding, less restrictions on defaulted child support, no taxable payroll, no employee insurance liabities, and a 1,000 other reasons.

Not the least of which is ICs hiding taxable income.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by greymule

I'm 58. In my life, I've had easy jobs and hard jobs, and invariably the easier a job is, the more it pays; the harder it is, the less it pays. I'm not talking necessarily about enjoyment, just difficulty.

My experience too.

This was true in my first job, the hardest one I ever had, teaching in a public high school (for peanuts). Far easier was training people at large companies—for vastly more $$. Even within the large companies, the easiest jobs paid the most. Easier still was sitting home and assigning other people to do the work, which paid even more.

You know that people working for minimum wage don't have easy jobs.

Umpiring is enjoyable, but it is hard work. But what's easier (and more fun), a game between two good college teams or a rec league walkfest that pays far less? See my point?

Sure do.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by charliej47

By your definition everyone is always under someone's thumb. When you pay to have you hair cut, they are under your thumb. When you go to work, you are under your bosses thumb.

The answer is simple. Does that person, company or entity pay me; if they do, how important to their existence or lifestyle are those $$$.

Or you can look at it as a business transaction. That is why in the state of Ohio I am labeled a contractor. The HS contracts with me to perform a piece of work under certain conditions and I sign a contract that obligates both of us.

When I "contract" to umpire a ball game, it is under certain conditions. I am an independent contractor performing "piece of work" "umpiring a ball game" for a certain amount of money under established rules that I will enforce and they can not change.

Being an IC means nothing. The only real question is, "Do I need the money
" (either as IC or employee). If you do, then all the chest pounding about how independent we are is nothing but chest pounding. If you really don't, then don't take it.

[fitump56]

Originally Posted by NFump

If'n I don'ts get paid, how's I ever gonna gets me a HSM to protects me grape when I forgets to WATCH THE F"N BALL!!!!!?

1) I will send you one of my HSMs

2) With an English learning program diskette in the same box.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

They call us independent contractors so they don't have to pay for worker's compensation insurance.

Or withhold income tax.

[lawump]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

They call us independent contractors so they don't have to pay for worker's compensation insurance.

And in an attempt to limit their liability. Employers are generally liable for the wrongful actions of their employees. They are generally not liable for the wrongful actions of their indepedent contractors. Its called Respondeat Superior liability.

This is an oversimplified statement, but it conveys the gist.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by fitump56

The answer is simple. Does that person, company or entity pay me; if they do, how important to their existence or lifestyle are those $$$.



Being an IC means nothing. The only real question is, "Do I need the money
" (either as IC or employee). If you do, then all the chest pounding about how independent we are is nothing but chest pounding. If you really don't, then don't take it.

Being an Independent Contrator has nothing to do with being able to work the job anyway you want. It means you are responsible for your taxes, insurance, medical insurance, etc. Which also means that the expenses of performing your job, travel, equipment, dues, some forms of insurance, etc, are deductible from your gross pay.

Independent does not mean being able to change the job desription or " do your own thing".

[Publius]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Being an Independent Contrator has nothing to do with being able to work the job anyway you want. It means you are responsible for your taxes, insurance, medical insurance, etc. Which also means that the expenses of performing your job, travel, equipment, dues, some forms of insurance, etc, are deductible from your gross pay.

Independent does not mean being able to change the job desription or " do your own thing".

Being an independent contractor has a helluva lot to do with being able to work a job the way you want. The control of the choice of methods in completing the work is one of the defining differences between an employee and an IC.

Being an IC doesn't necessarily mean your expenses are fully deductible, either. You have to operate with a profit motive.

[briancurtin]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That must be a record - what was it, 9 ignored posts in a row? How liberating.

such a great feature
for those not using, here is a taste:

[3appleshigh]

it is a great feature, but aren't you dying to see what idiocies come out next, I'm considering an unignore, because I hate not knowing. LOL Then again this feature does keep me smarter.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by briancurtin

such a great feature.....

The problem is though that you don't know what new name PWL/StevenTyler/FitUmp56 is gonna post under next.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

it is a great feature, but aren't you dying to see what idiocies come out next, I'm considering an unignore, because I hate not knowing.

Every ignored post has a link in the upper right corner: "View this post"

Frankly, I don't use it much.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Publius

Being an independent contractor has a helluva lot to do with being able to work a job the way you want. The control of the choice of methods in completing the work is one of the defining differences between an employee and an IC.

Being an IC doesn't necessarily mean your expenses are fully deductible, either. You have to operate with a profit motive.

Really?

That may be true if you are cutting grass.

But try making up your own rules for baseball and see how far you get.