partner????? i guess not...

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

I believe this situation has been on-going for years with Legion. They do use OBR, but because most states use FED rules for high school ball, all they have are FED umpires for Legion ball. And I've heard that some Legion programs have mandated the FED book for their programs.

That is certainly not the case here in San Diego. Our association spent an equal amount of study to both rule sets, as every other level except high school and Triple-A Baseball uses OBR or modified OBR. We could and did jump from FED to OBR on a game-to-game basis with regularity. American Legion games were OBR based, with modifications.

90% of the so-called FED umpires also work every other conceivable level of baseball.

The other 10% are too good to work any other level but Varsity.

[DG]

Originally Posted by LMan

I was also under the strong impression that Legion used OBR. I have been reviewing Legion rules recently for an upcoming tourney, and I don't recall any FPSR on the bases in there.

Open the PDF of the American Legion rules at this site and look at page 3.

http://www.baseball.legion.org/alb_rules.htm

[DG]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

I believe this situation has been on-going for years with Legion. They do use OBR, but because most states use FED rules for high school ball, all they have are FED umpires for Legion ball. And I've heard that some Legion programs have mandated the FED book for their programs.

Legion ball here will get Varsity FED umpires and some NCAA guys, both of whom have to call the FPSR. Legion here plays the American Legion rules.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by DG

Legion ball here will get Varsity FED umpires and some NCAA guys, both of whom have to call the FPSR. Legion here plays the American Legion rules.

Legion here plays American Legion rules too. It's just that the last Legion game I worked, I rode in on my brontosaurus. They were not using any special sliding rules at that time. That is a relatively new safety feature.

[Jim Porter]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Legion here plays American Legion rules too. It's just that the last Legion game I worked, I rode in on my brontosaurus. They were not using any special sliding rules at that time. That is a relatively new safety feature.

Yeah, I haven't worked Legion since they instituted FPSR too. They had a malicious contact rule, but not FPSR.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by DG

Open the PDF of the American Legion rules at this site and look at page 3.

http://www.baseball.legion.org/alb_rules.htm

duh on me.....its essentially the same as FED. Guess I should study more and talk less

[newump]

i was working the game. american legion in PA uses OBR w/some safety modifications including FPSL - the intent, if not the wording, is virtually identical to the FED rule.

i work college ball so I stick with CCA mechanics – which indicate With R1, batted ball to the infield "UIC moves to the third base side of the pitcher's mound to assist U1 with the slide at second base by R1.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Legion here plays American Legion rules too. It's just that the last Legion game I worked, I rode in on my brontosaurus. They were not using any special sliding rules at that time. That is a relatively new safety feature.

Legion has adopted a FPSR add-on that is nearly identical to the NCAA model.

[newump]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Legion has adopted a FPSR add-on that is nearly identical to the NCAA model.

Garth, you are letting me down. i'm sure you know that ncaa changed its FPSL rule in 2007 to allow for the runner to slide thru the bag and it also allows for a pop up slide. (although neither of these situations occurred in my play)

Neither FED, nor Legion allow these types of slides. the Legion rule is very similar to the FED rule, but it is clearly not as liberal as the NCAA rule.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by newump

Neither FED, nor Legion allow these types of slides. the Legion rule is very similar to the FED rule, but it is clearly not as liberal as the NCAA rule.

FED does allow a pop-up slide. The runner just can't execute a pop-up slide and make illegal contact with a fielder.


Tim.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by newump

Garth, you are letting me down. i'm sure you know that ncaa changed its FPSL rule in 2007 to allow for the runner to slide thru the bag and it also allows for a pop up slide.

That's why I said "nearly."

[newump]

agreed that you can pop up slide in FED if you don't make contact. you also don't have to slide directly into the bag in FED as long as you slide away from the fielder.

secondly, the ncaa does allow pop up slides even with contact.


my point is that the legion rule is much closer to the FED rule than the NCAA rule - correct?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by newump

agreed that you can pop up slide in FED if you don't make contact. you also don't have to slide directly into the bag in FED as long as you slide away from the fielder.

secondly, the ncaa does allow pop up slides even with contact.


my point is that the legion rule is much closer to the FED rule than the NCAA rule - correct?

I dunno...check the penalty at home and on the bases.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Steve, for God's sake stop "quoting" PWL, Steven Tyler, Fitump or whatever he calls himself today. Many of us have him on ignore and we'd like to keep him there. It is amusing how he can try to pretend to be new to the board and then recite history about you that goes beyond his "join" date. What DF.

You concern yourself with things that you don't even know what you're talking about. There wasn't a law against reading the forum before I joined. Personally, I have noticed some new members that are very familiar to some of the current ones. Hell, I couldn't care less.

IMO, it is others stirring up trouble. I will continuously avoid any references and replies to others that feel the need to instigate. Please feel free to keep me on your ignore list. Rule 2. to a successful life-GET ONE!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

I will continuously avoid any references and replies to others that feel the need to instigate.

I certainly hope you (and others) will heed those words.