partner????? i guess not...

[newump]

i had the plate at an american legion game tonight. good crowd and good teams. my partner is a veteran high school umpire who happens to be the president of a local high school association (not mine).

bottom of the first, no outs, R1. ground ball to F4, he flips to F6 for the force and F6 attempts to relay to first to turn the DP. R1 clearly slides out of the base line in an attempt to disrupt F6. both of R1's legs are on the outfield side of the bag. he reached out with his left hand to grab the bag. He was out and BR was safe at first. I was close to the mound watching the play develop at 2nd and immediately called interference and indicated that BR was also out due to FPSL. text book call.

3rd base coach - (head coach) and 1st base coach descend on me and both are eventually ejected after lengthy arguments. they both hit the magic words - "you suck" and "you're an *******" they then con'td to rant and rave and refused to leave the field. my "partner" did not budge from the "A" position the entire time. i tried walking away, turning my back, ignoring the coaches, threatened forfeit, etc. my "partner" never once came to my assistance. this lasted at least 10 minutes. eventually, we realized that the team did not have any additional coaches remaining - i declare a forfeit. on my way off of the field i'm cursed at and bumped by a player - i eject him. a fan refuses to let me out of the field and threatens me, the asst coach follows me into the parking lot and another fan acosts me at my car. never once did my partner say a single word or take a step in my direction to assist me.

this coach has a reputation for being an a..hole. i've never had any issues with him in the past. but, i think my partner was actually afraid to get involved!!!

i still can't believe it all went down the way it did.
i've sent an ejection report to my assignor and the league commissioner.
any suggestions with how i should deal with this "partner" in the future?
i've just starting doing college ball, so i don't really deal with him much at all during school ball.

[LMan]

:shrug:

Sorry for your trouble.



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[DG]

Originally Posted by newump

any suggestions with how i should deal with this "partner" in the future?

He ignored you so....

On the situation, toss the assistant as quick as you can and deal with the manager. 10 minutes is way too prolonged an argument. 2 minutes tops...

[newump]

i tossed them both after a minute or two. everything else after that was post-ejection and pre-forfeit hoopla.

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by DG

He ignored you so....

On the situation, toss the assistant as quick as you can and deal with the manager. 10 minutes is way too prolonged an argument. 2 minutes tops...

Your partner ran you over, back up and ran you over again. But 30 seconds tops. 2 minutes is way too long in my book

[Jim Porter]

What were you doing out by the mound and why would you make a call that's not yours?

[newump]

are you kidding?

2 man system.

not my call?? please.

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by newump

are you kidding?

2 man system.

not my call?? please.

Actually, any INT at 2B on a possible double play ball is the PU's call. You're supposed to be following the ball to 1B.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by newump

i had the plate at an american legion game tonight.

I know nothing of legion: I thought they used OBR. If so, why think FED's FPSR applies?

The game ended with just those 2 outs recorded? That's impressive. Sounds as if there are some game management issues -- could your partner have been right not to get involved in the mess? Can you think of how you might have handled the situation better?

[LMan]

I was also under the strong impression that Legion used OBR. I have been reviewing Legion rules recently for an upcoming tourney, and I don't recall any FPSR on the bases in there.

[Jim Porter]

Originally Posted by LMan

I was also under the strong impression that Legion used OBR. I have been reviewing Legion rules recently for an upcoming tourney, and I don't recall any FPSR on the bases in there.

I believe this situation has been on-going for years with Legion. They do use OBR, but because most states use FED rules for high school ball, all they have are FED umpires for Legion ball. And I've heard that some Legion programs have mandated the FED book for their programs.

[PABlue]

And then you get the states OR area's that use a mix of OBR and FED.We have two Districts that are side by side and one uses a mix of OBR,Fed and the other uses pure FED rules!!!!! Go figure and then try to remember which league you're doing before you make a call.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

I believe this situation has been on-going for years with Legion. They do use OBR, but because most states use FED rules for high school ball, all they have are FED umpires for Legion ball. And I've heard that some Legion programs have mandated the FED book for their programs.

That is certainly not the case here in San Diego. Our association spent an equal amount of study to both rule sets, as every other level except high school and Triple-A Baseball uses OBR or modified OBR. We could and did jump from FED to OBR on a game-to-game basis with regularity. American Legion games were OBR based, with modifications.

90% of the so-called FED umpires also work every other conceivable level of baseball.

The other 10% are too good to work any other level but Varsity.

[DG]

Originally Posted by Jim Porter

I believe this situation has been on-going for years with Legion. They do use OBR, but because most states use FED rules for high school ball, all they have are FED umpires for Legion ball. And I've heard that some Legion programs have mandated the FED book for their programs.

Legion ball here will get Varsity FED umpires and some NCAA guys, both of whom have to call the FPSR. Legion here plays the American Legion rules.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by DG

Legion ball here will get Varsity FED umpires and some NCAA guys, both of whom have to call the FPSR. Legion here plays the American Legion rules.

Legion here plays American Legion rules too. It's just that the last Legion game I worked, I rode in on my brontosaurus. They were not using any special sliding rules at that time. That is a relatively new safety feature.