Coaches who know umpiring

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by budjones05

This year, I have done a lot of baseball and coaches say the darnest things. Here is the list of some of the things coaches said to me this year.

1. Balks can only be called by the field umpire.

2. Everything is protestable(Judgement calls such as safe/out, fair/foul, and balks)

3. If you tag a runner on the back before he reaches the base, he is safe because you can't tag a runner in the back.

4. Only the umpire in cheif can throw someone out of the game.

5. Pitchers can go to their mouths and touch the ball without 1st, wiping his hand/fingers off 1st.

6. Pitchers can have a SOILD WHITE GLOVE.

7. Pitchers must be set for at least 3 seconds before he can deliver the pitch

8. If the pitcher drops the ball while on the rubber, he can pick it up and a balk is not called.

9. Runners must slide feet first


And my favorite,

10. BALLS AND STIKES CAN BE ARUGED!


Just thought you all would enjoy the very knowable coaches I deal with every weekend

I'll have the coaches I have call your coaches, they missed a few:

1. The tie always goes to the runner.

2. The hands are part of the bat.

3. There's tape there so it's no longer considered wearing jewelry
becaue you can no longer see it.

4. You can't call that a strike. My batter called time out.

5. No way that sliding runner was safe. The ball beat the runner to the base.

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

I'll have the coaches I have call your coaches, they missed a few:

1. The tie always goes to the runner.

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Last time I looked in the rule book, the "tie" does go to the runner. Doesn't say it but specifically but it does say for an out the runner/base must be tagged before they reach the base. "Before" is not the same as "at the same time". Of course some will say that's not possible, there's never a real "tie". Within the limits of human perception there is. Best description is in FED rules
under batter is out - D3K stuation. Don't have my rule book with me, but look it up.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

Last time I looked in the rule book, the "tie" does go to the runner. Doesn't say it but specifically but it does say for an out the runner/base must be tagged before they reach the base. "Before" is not the same as "at the same time". Of course some will say that's not possible, there's never a real "tie". Within the limits of human perception there is. Best description is in FED rules
under batter is out - D3K stuation. Don't have my rule book with me, but look it up.

True enough. But, for other runners, they are out if they fail to touch the base before the fielder tags the base. (8-4-2j). So here, the "tie goes to the fielder."

OBR is the same way (iirc -- I do know that the rule at first and the rule at other bases are opposites).

I think JR has this as one of the 234 contradictions in the rules.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

Last time I looked in the rule book, the "tie" does go to the runner. Doesn't say it but specifically but it does say for an out the runner/base must be tagged before they reach the base. "Before" is not the same as "at the same time". Of course some will say that's not possible, there's never a real "tie". Within the limits of human perception there is. Best description is in FED rules
under batter is out - D3K stuation. Don't have my rule book with me, but look it up.

At best there's a contradiction in the wording of the rules. Either way, there are no ties.

FED 8-4-1
The batter-runner is out when:
f. after a dropped third strike (see 8-4-1e) or a fair hit, if the ball held by any fielder touches the batter before the batter touches first base; or if any fielder, while holding the ball in his grasp, touches first base or touches first base with the ball before the batter-runner touches first base: or

FED 8-4-2
Any runner is out when he:
i. does not retouch his base before a fielder tags him out or holds the ball while touching such base after any situation

j. fails to reach the next base before a fielder either tags the runner out or holds the ball while touching such base, after runner has been forced from the base he occupied because the batter became a runner (with ball in play) when other runners were on first base, or on first and second, or on first, second and third. There shall be no accidental appeals on a force play.

(edited to add 8-4-2 j as pointed out by Bob J.)

[WhiteHat Ref]

There is an old saying that the tie goes to the runner, however what I was taught years ago when I started umpiring, is that the tie goes to the umpire and call the runner out. This way keeps the game moving.

[lawump]

I am NOT a physics major...nor have I tested this. But I was taught by a umpire who subsequently became an MLBer that:

If the umpire perceives a "tie" at first (that is he sees B/R's foot hit the base at the same instant he hears the ball pop into the glove of F3 (or whomever)) it actually isn't a tie.

Why?

Because light travels faster than sound. Since the sound of the ball hitting the glove took longer to reach your ear than the time needed for the light to travel to see the play at first, if you perceived them to occur at the same time, the sound of the ball hitting the glove actually occurred first. Thus, call the runner out.

Now, I have sat in outfield bleachers and watched a game and have clearly noticed (as I'm sure we all have) that the "Ping" sound of the ball hitting the bat reaches us significantly after the actual contact was visually seen.

However, I'm not sure if I'm buying that the difference in velocity is great enough to make a difference (considering where BU is standing) for a play at first. But maybe it does...as I said I'm no physics major.

But in any event: I love the theory: Call the B/R OUT!

[DG]

Originally Posted by lawump

However, I'm not sure if I'm buying that the difference in velocity is great enough to make a difference (considering where BU is standing) for a play at first. But maybe it does...as I said I'm no physics major.

Light travels much faster than sound so if it looks and sounds like a tie, it's an out. Of course quality of the play is a bit of a factor also. Good plays are rewarded and bad plays are not. It's physcological and I have never had an argument on a safe call on a defensive play that was poorly made and it is rare to have an argument on an out call on a defensive gem.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by BigGuy

Last time I looked in the rule book, the "tie" does go to the runner. Doesn't say it but specifically but it does say for an out the runner/base must be tagged before they reach the base. "Before" is not the same as "at the same time". Of course some will say that's not possible, there's never a real "tie". Within the limits of human perception there is. Best description is in FED rules
under batter is out - D3K stuation. Don't have my rule book with me, but look it up.

I'm in the percentile that believes there are no ties. When in doubt, go with the out.