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[Mountaineer]

What about what my friend did - next time the guy came up he tapped the catcher and said, "he's all yours". Rung him up on three pitches that were WAY outside. When the coach came out to discuss he told him that the kid showed him up and that he won't see a pitch to hit the rest of the day. The coach went back to the dugout and soundly chewed the kid.

My buddy does HS, NCAA, and has done MiBL. Do you see that as a viable option?

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Do you see that as a viable option?

No, I see that as being a cheater, and someone who can't handle situations in real-time. He gives all umpires a bad name by pulling such juvenile nonsense.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by kylejt

No, I see that as being a cheater, and someone who can't handle situations in real-time. He gives all umpires a bad name by pulling such juvenile nonsense.

I guess the coach didn't think it was so bad since he ripped the kid and not the ump . . . Personally, I'd never have the balls to do something like that.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Personally, I'd never have the balls to do something like that.

I see this as lack of balls to take care of the problem when it happened. Then he gets the "courage" to just make bad calls, instead of pulling up his big boy pants and running the guy when this first happens.

I see this as a very bad choice in game management.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by kylejt

No, I see that as being a cheater, and someone who can't handle situations in real-time. He gives all umpires a bad name by pulling such juvenile nonsense.

TOTALLY agree.

Bob

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

What about what my friend did - next time the guy came up he tapped the catcher and said, "he's all yours". Rung him up on three pitches that were WAY outside. When the coach came out to discuss he told him that the kid showed him up and that he won't see a pitch to hit the rest of the day. The coach went back to the dugout and soundly chewed the kid.

My buddy does HS, NCAA, and has done MiBL. Do you see that as a viable option?

That's known as an FYC. Effective FYS's are ones used judicially and in situations where everyone know what was done and why, no explanation necessary. Three in a row is a bit much.

The MiLB has fired umpires who used FYC's so blatantly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFQMMY234U

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

What about what my friend did - next time the guy came up he tapped the catcher and said, "he's all yours". Rung him up on three pitches that were WAY outside. When the coach came out to discuss he told him that the kid showed him up and that he won't see a pitch to hit the rest of the day. The coach went back to the dugout and soundly chewed the kid.

My buddy does HS, NCAA, and has done MiBL. Do you see that as a viable option?

If you have to explain it to the coach, it is not a viable option. NEVER explain to a coach that you just cheated against his team. When the coach came out to "discuss" he has left his position to argue balls and strikes and you basically told him that he is right, you INTENTIONALLY missed pitches and it was going to continue. It can only go down hill from there.

All that being said.....message calls and pitches happen all the time. Unfortounately if you have to explain to the coach what you are doing, the message is lost and the coach thinks you just suck.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

What about what my friend did - next time the guy came up he tapped the catcher and said, "he's all yours". Rung him up on three pitches that were WAY outside. When the coach came out to discuss he told him that the kid showed him up and that he won't see a pitch to hit the rest of the day. The coach went back to the dugout and soundly chewed the kid.

My buddy does HS, NCAA, and has done MiBL. Do you see that as a viable option?

Yes I do see this as a viable option. First of all I hate to use the terms "automatic" or "always" as it relates to any officiating or umpiring situation. Also what one person sees as being shown up and an ejectable offense, someone else might see it as a warning or something you talk to the coach about.

First of all if this is a HS game, not everyone is privy to what this means and why there would be an ejection. There are coaches out there that will not see things your way even if everyone saw the line being drawn. As you go up the ranks, coaches and players completely understand their roles and the way the game is played. They also know what will happen if they do certain things or they will quickly learn. Different strokes for different folks.

Also I would never tell a coach what I will not call the rest of the game, but I just would call strikes short of the ball being in the dirt or over the kid's head. And I would not hold it over the head of every player and every situation this player was involved in.

Peace

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Do you see that as a viable option?

Personnally I don't need to lower myself to bring attention to me.

Either dump the kid right there and get it over with or call time, call the coach over and with your line-up card in hand, tell him that Player ## is now scratched. Most good coaches will handle it from there.

Be the professional that was hired to officiate the game.

[TussAgee11]

The only time I'd tell a catcher to do anything is when i have a batter wandering aimlessly in between pitches, I'll tell the catcher (if I tap you on the back that just means have him pitch, tell him this in the dugout).

I'll also alert the batting team's manager next time he runs out to coach third base to have his kids staying around the box (preferably with a foot in it).

Then if the crap continues of the kid taking 10 steps out and 2 practice swings, look at the coach for 10 seconds, then step back in, I'll just tap the catcher and I know it won't happen again.

Only had to do it once my whole career.

Is this cheating too?

[Mountaineer]

Hopefully without sounding too stupid (a usual occurance for me) - what excatly is FYC?

I was talking to another buddy about this, who lives in Ohio, that does college ball - D1 & 2. He called a ball on a batter in a D1 game that the pitcher disagreed with - and the pitcher came off the mound and stared at my buddy and then pointed at him! My buddy told the catcher to go tell his "buddy" that he just f--ked up. Next 3 pitches were balls including one right down the middle. The coach came out and said to my buddy, "Charlie, that pitch looked right down the middle" - "Yep it was, best advice I can tell you coach is to get someone else on the mound". By the time someone was ready, they had walked the bases loaded. The coach didn't get pi$$ed at the ump but rather immediately went to the bull pen.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Hopefully without sounding too stupid (a usual occurance for me) - what excatly is FYC?

I was talking to another buddy about this, who lives in Ohio, that does college ball - D1 & 2. He called a ball on a batter in a D1 game that the pitcher disagreed with - and the pitcher came off the mound and stared at my buddy and then pointed at him! My buddy told the catcher to go tell his "buddy" that he just f--ked up. Next 3 pitches were balls including one right down the middle. The coach came out and said to my buddy, "Charlie, that pitch looked right down the middle" - "Yep it was, best advice I can tell you coach is to get someone else on the mound".

Your buddy is an idiot.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Your buddy is an idiot.

No doubt! That's a big finger ejection every time. I wonder where some of these men learned these ridiculous game management skills.


Tim.

[charliej47]

I was PU at a D1 game and F1 did not like my inside corner position, after I sent the catcher out twice, i asked the catcher to talk to his manager between innings as his pitcher was getting into trouble. the manager brought out a new pitcher the next inning and we had a good game with no complaints

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by GarthB

Your buddy is an idiot.

More like a p*ssy. A pitcher points at you , and you don't dump him?! Jeez, do you even bother to wear a cup?