Three Man Crew Positioning

[newump]

all i have is the 2 man pbuc manual. as you guys know, i'm a novice and don't have much experience doing 3man. but, i've seen many guys change postioning in a 2 man crew when there are 2 outs. is there any validity to that?

[tibear]

Up here in Canada, whenever there is two outs the umpires are suppose to change their positions to give first base priority.

Here are the position manuals for 3 man crews:

http://66.241.210.162/files/Threeump...manual2006.pdf

See situation 3M-35.

[orioles35]

Most of us are comfortable with two man, but rarely do three man enough to get "good" at it. I had the following discussion with one of our senior guys at the last tournament of the year.

No runners on, outs don't matter...SURE DOUBLE to the outfield. Never any question whether the ball is going to be caught, and easily makes it to the fence. My opinion was U1 was to move into the cutout, pivot, watch R1 touch 1st, then move to 2nd, while U2 stayed in D in case R1 tried to stretch it to a triple and of course U3 stayed at home.

U1 insisted that even on a SURE DOUBLE, U2 was to move to C, U3 was to move up the line towards third for a play there and U1 would cover home. My argument was why have all that rotation when U1 could move once, especially since the only thing going on at 1st was R1 touching it (no possible play).

Comments?

[tibear]

See Situation 3M-3:
http://66.241.210.162/files/Threeump...manual2006.pdf

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by orioles35

Most of us are comfortable with two man, but rarely do three man enough to get "good" at it. I had the following discussion with one of our senior guys at the last tournament of the year.

No runners on, outs don't matter...SURE DOUBLE to the outfield. Never any question whether the ball is going to be caught, and easily makes it to the fence. My opinion was U1 was to move into the cutout, pivot, watch R1 touch 1st, then move to 2nd, while U2 stayed in D in case R1 tried to stretch it to a triple and of course U3 stayed at home.

U1 insisted that even on a SURE DOUBLE, U2 was to move to C, U3 was to move up the line towards third for a play there and U1 would cover home. My argument was why have all that rotation when U1 could move once, especially since the only thing going on at 1st was R1 touching it (no possible play).

Comments?

Comment: I am confused as to the position designations you are using. I believe that U1 is normally the PU, U2 is the 1st base umpire and U3 is referred to as the 3rd base umpire. In Canada, it's PU, U1, and U3, respectively. What is the correct designation for each position, because now I am unsure?

The way we handle this type of play is the same way your 1st base umpire suggests. U3 (3rd base) comes into the infield and heads for 2nd base. U1 (the PU) comes up the line in case of a play at 3rd. If it then appears there will be a play at 3rd base, U2 (first base umpire) heads to home plate.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Comment: I am confused as to the position designations you are using. I believe that U1 is normally the PU, U2 is the 1st base umpire and U3 is referred to as the 3rd base umpire. In Canada, it's PU, U1, and U3, respectively. What is the correct designation for each position, because now I am unsure?

The way we handle this type of play is the same way your 1st base umpire suggests. U3 (3rd base) comes into the infield and heads for 2nd base. U1 (the PU) comes up the line in case of a play at 3rd. If it then appears there will be a play at 3rd base, U2 (first base umpire) heads to home plate.

You can go both ways here. PBUC mechanics are U1 takes Batter/Runner (BR) into 2B if there is no play. This keeps from having all three umpires rotate on a non-play (Unless BR tries for 3B).

The mechanics now being used in AA/AA (This is a crew option) are:

1) Whenever there is R1, U1 is in short A (U3 can be in B or C)
2) U2 only or U2 &U3 - U3 is in D & U1 in deep B
3) Fly ball coverage - Inside umpire has 'V'.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

You can go both ways here. PBUC mechanics are U1 takes Batter/Runner (BR) into 2B if there is no play. This keeps from having all three umpires rotate on a non-play (Unless BR tries for 3B).

The mechanics now being used in AA/AA (This is a crew option) are:

1) Whenever there is R1, U1 is in short A (U3 can be in B or C)
2) U2 only or U2 &U3 - U3 is in D & U1 in deep B
3) Fly ball coverage - Inside umpire has 'V'.

So, to answer my question, is it PU, U1 and U3 as the correct terminology?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

So, to answer my question, is it PU, U1 and U3 as the correct terminology?

For most of the world.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

So, to answer my question, is it PU, U1 and U3 as the correct terminology?

That would be correct. I THINK Fed may use U1 = PU, etc, though since we don't use Fed mechanics here I may well be incorrect.

[tibear]

In this situation where bases empty and sure double, I think the mechanics offered in the Canadian manual make the most sense because the only umpire moving on the play would be U3 who would pickup the runner at second base and bring him to third if neccessary. U1 simply ensures the tag at first and PU stays at the plate. Alot less people running and U3 has lots of time to pick up BR at second.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by tibear

In this situation where bases empty and sure double, I think the mechanics offered in the Canadian manual make the most sense because the only umpire moving on the play would be U3 who would pickup the runner at second base and bring him to third if neccessary. U1 simply ensures the tag at first and PU stays at the plate. Alot less people running and U3 has lots of time to pick up BR at second.

Yes, but consider the situation of a botched relay where BR is in motion and continues to 3B. U3 could easily be hung out to dry on this play, which is why whenever U3 moves toward 2B PU moves up toward 3B.

MUCH easier to let U1 pivot in and take BR into 2B on a non-play situation.