Damon ejection with audio

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I have listened carefully about 10 times.

Listen "through" the play-by-play:

You hear "something" . . .

Then a voice (I am guessing Bill Miller): "NO, it went all the way across (the plate.")

I am guessing here that Damon was chirping that the bat "barely moved."

Then there is another comment that I cannot hear.

THEN:

Miller takes over.

I "think" that is what I have heard from the start of the video.

Much like Rich, I am reserving my comments.

Regards,

During the commentary when the camera is on the Toronto pitcher, you can hear Bill in the background saying "Stop! ----- Johnny! -- Stop it!" Then Bill goes into "Are you getting in my business?" It sounds to me that Bill gave Damon several warnings to knock off the crap. Makes me laugh because Johnny got away with this for years when he played in Boston. He always runs his mouth and finally got payback -- I loved it!

[Lawrence.Dorsey]

Here's a news article with comments from the parties involved...


TORONTO -- Johnny Damon seems to wear a perpetual smile. Yet last night, he grew upset enough to earn an unusual ejection.

In the fifth inning of the Yankees' 7-6 victory over the Blue Jays, plate umpire Bill Miller tossed Damon from the on-deck circle, of all places. Damon was arguing Miller's ruling that Hideki Matsui, the Yankees' eighth hitter, went too far and struck out on a check swing.

Damon last was ejected on Aug. 30, 1997, with the Royals, when he charged St. Louis pitcher Mark Petkovsek.

As for last night, "It was just a little disagreement," Damon said. "I said what I saw. Unfortunately, things happened. He rung me."

Damon contended that Miller should have asked third-base umpire, Scott Barry, for help on the call. "That's a tough call to make," Damon said. "There's a third-base ump there for a reason."

Joe Torre said that he scolded Miller for not alerting the manager to Damon's objections. "You have to have some kind of warning," Torre said.

Miller, defending his decision, said, "Torre had made a comment in the dugout. I addressed him. Johnny picked up the argument. I told Johnny, 'Stop. Don't get into the business.' He persisted and was ejected."

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I've watched it three or four times on the video clip. Miller did not bait Johnny Damon. He told him to knock it off and Damon kept on. If someone is yapping at me from the on-deck circle, which hasn't happened lately, I am gonig to handle it. In Pro ball, you can better believe they are going to handle it. As for Torre, I like Joe but he needs to get a grip. As a manager, you should be able to see and hear everything that is going on in front of you. He could have yelled out to Johnny to shut up or run out there and pulled him into the dugout. Instead he wanted Miller to come to him and discuss the problem. That's just not going to happen.

Lawrence

[David B]

Originally Posted by Lawrence.Dorsey

Here's a news article with comments from the parties involved...


TORONTO -- Johnny Damon seems to wear a perpetual smile. Yet last night, he grew upset enough to earn an unusual ejection.

In the fifth inning of the Yankees' 7-6 victory over the Blue Jays, plate umpire Bill Miller tossed Damon from the on-deck circle, of all places. Damon was arguing Miller's ruling that Hideki Matsui, the Yankees' eighth hitter, went too far and struck out on a check swing.

Damon last was ejected on Aug. 30, 1997, with the Royals, when he charged St. Louis pitcher Mark Petkovsek.

As for last night, "It was just a little disagreement," Damon said. "I said what I saw. Unfortunately, things happened. He rung me."

Damon contended that Miller should have asked third-base umpire, Scott Barry, for help on the call. "That's a tough call to make," Damon said. "There's a third-base ump there for a reason."

Joe Torre said that he scolded Miller for not alerting the manager to Damon's objections. "You have to have some kind of warning," Torre said.

Miller, defending his decision, said, "Torre had made a comment in the dugout. I addressed him. Johnny picked up the argument. I told Johnny, 'Stop. Don't get into the business.' He persisted and was ejected."

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I've watched it three or four times on the video clip. Miller did not bait Johnny Damon. He told him to knock it off and Damon kept on. If someone is yapping at me from the on-deck circle, which hasn't happened lately, I am gonig to handle it. In Pro ball, you can better believe they are going to handle it. As for Torre, I like Joe but he needs to get a grip. As a manager, you should be able to see and hear everything that is going on in front of you. He could have yelled out to Johnny to shut up or run out there and pulled him into the dugout. Instead he wanted Miller to come to him and discuss the problem. That's just not going to happen.

Lawrence

A MLB manager asking about a warning - now that's just too funny!

Torre has been around long enough to know better especially when it comes to balls and strikes at that level.

Thanks
DAvid

[nickrego]

In general, I've always like Damon.

That was definitely a swing, and definitely strike three.

If a coach wants to come out and talk to me about it, I'll give him the time of day. But a player...No Way...Good Bye !

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by nickrego

If a coach wants to come out and talk to me about it, I'll give him the time of day. But a player...No Way...Good Bye !

I won't let a coach leave his position to talk about it. It is a ball/strike call, and you shouldn't allow anyone to leave their position to argue balls and strikes. Warn them that if they persist in arguing balls and strikes that they will be ejected, and if they continue, eject them. These guys know the rule about arguing balls and strikes.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by nickrego

In general, I've always like Damon.

That was definitely a swing, and definitely strike three.

If a coach wants to come out and talk to me about it, I'll give him the time of day. But a player...No Way...Good Bye !

What about leaving your position to argue balls and strikes do you not understand?

[SAump]

Did you read Damon's excuse about the 3B umpire. I believe the offense, at any level, doesn't have the right to request a check swing appeal. What Damon did wasn't right. I hope this post doesn't offend anybody. I am on edge today. If I am wrong, I welcome the correct interpretation.

[nickrego]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

What about leaving your position to argue balls and strikes do you not understand?

And what don't you get about the argument NOT being about the Strike Zone ?

The question was a matter of if the batter offered at the ball. A judgment call, just like EVERY other call we make, but not related to Balls & Strikes from the point of view of the Strike Zone.

So, yeah, I'll let a coach call time and come out and talk to me about it. And if he does it right, he stays in the game.

But what Damon did, immediate ejection.

[mrm21711]

Originally Posted by nickrego

And what don't you get about the argument NOT being about the Strike Zone ?

The question was a matter of if the batter offered at the ball. A judgment call, just like EVERY other call we make, but not related to Balls & Strikes from the point of view of the Strike Zone.

So, yeah, I'll let a coach call time and come out and talk to me about it. And if he does it right, he stays in the game.

But what Damon did, immediate ejection.

The PBUC manual specifically states that arguing a check swing is arguing balls and strikes.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by nickrego

And what don't you get about the argument NOT being about the Strike Zone ?

The question was a matter of if the batter offered at the ball. A judgment call, just like EVERY other call we make, but not related to Balls & Strikes from the point of view of the Strike Zone.

So, yeah, I'll let a coach call time and come out and talk to me about it. And if he does it right, he stays in the game.

But what Damon did, immediate ejection.

Rich didn't say it was about the strike zone, he said it was about balls and strikes. A checked swing in usually a ball and "yes, he did" is a strike. It doesn't matter that the mechanics are different, if a coach argues about a check swing call, he is arguing balls and strikes.

[Tim C]

ANY ball/strike discussion is short and GONE . . . Nick, a checked/unchecked swing at any time is a ball/strike discussion. Your LL background is showing.

Regards,

[kylejt]

"Your LL background is showing."

Hey, I did a LL game today.




Of course, it wasn't in Oregon.




I guess that makes us even.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by nickrego

And what don't you get about the argument NOT being about the Strike Zone ?

The question was a matter of if the batter offered at the ball. A judgment call, just like EVERY other call we make, but not related to Balls & Strikes from the point of view of the Strike Zone.

So, yeah, I'll let a coach call time and come out and talk to me about it. And if he does it right, he stays in the game.

But what Damon did, immediate ejection.

And as you've already been told, you're wrong. A check swing argument is no different than arguing about the strike ZONE. It's arguing balls and strikes. Period.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by nickrego

And what don't you get about the argument NOT being about the Strike Zone ?

The question was a matter of if the batter offered at the ball. A judgment call, just like EVERY other call we make, but not related to Balls & Strikes from the point of view of the Strike Zone.

So, yeah, I'll let a coach call time and come out and talk to me about it. And if he does it right, he stays in the game.

But what Damon did, immediate ejection.

If you remember correctly, a coach was thrown out in the college world series for coming out to argue a check swing. I can't remember the coach's team (Miami?), but the 1BU gave him the stop sign and you could read his lips- "don't come out here! don't come out here!" He did, and he was tossed immediately.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by bossman72

If you remember correctly, a coach was thrown out in the college world series for coming out to argue a check swing. I can't remember the coach's team (Miami?), but the 1BU gave him the stop sign and you could read his lips- "don't come out here! don't come out here!" He did, and he was tossed immediately.

I believe it was this year's CWS and the 3B ump was involved in the play. I believe the opponent was Oregon State, but I will let someone else closer to the NCAA action correct my possible mistake. I picked this up off the interenet, Game 4 - Miami Fla. 11, Oregon State 1. It was early on in the 1st or second game in Omaha. I know Oregon State did battle back to win it all after an early loss. NO, I wasn't there.