Damon ejection with audio

[bossman72]

That was pretty neat... although i didn't hear what damon said...

[Tim C]

I have listened carefully about 10 times.

Listen "through" the play-by-play:

You hear "something" . . .

Then a voice (I am guessing Bill Miller): "NO, it went all the way across (the plate.")

I am guessing here that Damon was chirping that the bat "barely moved."

Then there is another comment that I cannot hear.

THEN:

Miller takes over.

I "think" that is what I have heard from the start of the video.

Much like Rich, I am reserving my comments.

Regards,

[BigUmp56]

I'm thinking there was more to it that caused Miller to turn to Damon and start in on him. He must have been having a problem with bench jockying before that, or with something Damon said that we didn't hear in the clip.


Tim.

[Tim C]

Tim:

I really doubt it . . . obviously I don't know . . .

BUT:

Bill was one of my KEY instructors at the Golden State Camp:

In MLB baseball and in late season I think that small things set people off.

While you could be correct, my experience tells me we "could" have heard the whole thing.

Regards,

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Tim:

I really doubt it . . . obviously I don't know . . .

BUT:

Bill was one of my KEY instructors at the Golden State Camp:

In MLB baseball and in late season I think that small things set people off.

While you could be correct, my experience tells me we "could" have heard the whole thing.

Regards,

After listening to this yesterday a few times and then again tody, I believe you're right Tee.

A righteous ejection.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I watched the video with my two sons (13 and 16, both baseball players), and we all agreed that the Yankee batter did not check his swing. I thought that the PU did a very good job of letting the batter, catcher, and pitcher that the batter did not check his swing and that he had a swinging strike three. While we could not hear what Damon said, the PU umpire's initial response led us to believe the Damon asked whether the third strike was a called strike or a swinging strike. After that we still really couldn't hear was Damon said next, but it is my humble opinion that the PU then baited Damon. As a H.S. and college basketball official for over 35 years (and a H.S. baseball and fastpitch softball umpire for 14 years) I would definitely classify the PU's comments about getting into his business and asking Damon if he wanted to argue balls and strikes as baiting. I know that the MLB is a different animal that H.S. and college sports, but I would have put up the stop sign and informed the batter that balls and strikes were not going to be discussed and then let the player decided if he wants to press the issue.

MTD, Sr.

[briancurtin]

for some reason the audio isnt working for me. has anyone seen this same clip on any other websites?

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by Tim C

I have listened carefully about 10 times.

Listen "through" the play-by-play:

You hear "something" . . .

Then a voice (I am guessing Bill Miller): "NO, it went all the way across (the plate.")

I am guessing here that Damon was chirping that the bat "barely moved."

Then there is another comment that I cannot hear.

THEN:

Miller takes over.

I "think" that is what I have heard from the start of the video.

Much like Rich, I am reserving my comments.

Regards,

During the commentary when the camera is on the Toronto pitcher, you can hear Bill in the background saying "Stop! ----- Johnny! -- Stop it!" Then Bill goes into "Are you getting in my business?" It sounds to me that Bill gave Damon several warnings to knock off the crap. Makes me laugh because Johnny got away with this for years when he played in Boston. He always runs his mouth and finally got payback -- I loved it!

[Lawrence.Dorsey]

Here's a news article with comments from the parties involved...


TORONTO -- Johnny Damon seems to wear a perpetual smile. Yet last night, he grew upset enough to earn an unusual ejection.

In the fifth inning of the Yankees' 7-6 victory over the Blue Jays, plate umpire Bill Miller tossed Damon from the on-deck circle, of all places. Damon was arguing Miller's ruling that Hideki Matsui, the Yankees' eighth hitter, went too far and struck out on a check swing.

Damon last was ejected on Aug. 30, 1997, with the Royals, when he charged St. Louis pitcher Mark Petkovsek.

As for last night, "It was just a little disagreement," Damon said. "I said what I saw. Unfortunately, things happened. He rung me."

Damon contended that Miller should have asked third-base umpire, Scott Barry, for help on the call. "That's a tough call to make," Damon said. "There's a third-base ump there for a reason."

Joe Torre said that he scolded Miller for not alerting the manager to Damon's objections. "You have to have some kind of warning," Torre said.

Miller, defending his decision, said, "Torre had made a comment in the dugout. I addressed him. Johnny picked up the argument. I told Johnny, 'Stop. Don't get into the business.' He persisted and was ejected."

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I've watched it three or four times on the video clip. Miller did not bait Johnny Damon. He told him to knock it off and Damon kept on. If someone is yapping at me from the on-deck circle, which hasn't happened lately, I am gonig to handle it. In Pro ball, you can better believe they are going to handle it. As for Torre, I like Joe but he needs to get a grip. As a manager, you should be able to see and hear everything that is going on in front of you. He could have yelled out to Johnny to shut up or run out there and pulled him into the dugout. Instead he wanted Miller to come to him and discuss the problem. That's just not going to happen.

Lawrence

[David B]

Originally Posted by Lawrence.Dorsey

Here's a news article with comments from the parties involved...


TORONTO -- Johnny Damon seems to wear a perpetual smile. Yet last night, he grew upset enough to earn an unusual ejection.

In the fifth inning of the Yankees' 7-6 victory over the Blue Jays, plate umpire Bill Miller tossed Damon from the on-deck circle, of all places. Damon was arguing Miller's ruling that Hideki Matsui, the Yankees' eighth hitter, went too far and struck out on a check swing.

Damon last was ejected on Aug. 30, 1997, with the Royals, when he charged St. Louis pitcher Mark Petkovsek.

As for last night, "It was just a little disagreement," Damon said. "I said what I saw. Unfortunately, things happened. He rung me."

Damon contended that Miller should have asked third-base umpire, Scott Barry, for help on the call. "That's a tough call to make," Damon said. "There's a third-base ump there for a reason."

Joe Torre said that he scolded Miller for not alerting the manager to Damon's objections. "You have to have some kind of warning," Torre said.

Miller, defending his decision, said, "Torre had made a comment in the dugout. I addressed him. Johnny picked up the argument. I told Johnny, 'Stop. Don't get into the business.' He persisted and was ejected."

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I've watched it three or four times on the video clip. Miller did not bait Johnny Damon. He told him to knock it off and Damon kept on. If someone is yapping at me from the on-deck circle, which hasn't happened lately, I am gonig to handle it. In Pro ball, you can better believe they are going to handle it. As for Torre, I like Joe but he needs to get a grip. As a manager, you should be able to see and hear everything that is going on in front of you. He could have yelled out to Johnny to shut up or run out there and pulled him into the dugout. Instead he wanted Miller to come to him and discuss the problem. That's just not going to happen.

Lawrence

A MLB manager asking about a warning - now that's just too funny!

Torre has been around long enough to know better especially when it comes to balls and strikes at that level.

Thanks
DAvid

[nickrego]

In general, I've always like Damon.

That was definitely a swing, and definitely strike three.

If a coach wants to come out and talk to me about it, I'll give him the time of day. But a player...No Way...Good Bye !

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by nickrego

If a coach wants to come out and talk to me about it, I'll give him the time of day. But a player...No Way...Good Bye !

I won't let a coach leave his position to talk about it. It is a ball/strike call, and you shouldn't allow anyone to leave their position to argue balls and strikes. Warn them that if they persist in arguing balls and strikes that they will be ejected, and if they continue, eject them. These guys know the rule about arguing balls and strikes.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by nickrego

In general, I've always like Damon.

That was definitely a swing, and definitely strike three.

If a coach wants to come out and talk to me about it, I'll give him the time of day. But a player...No Way...Good Bye !

What about leaving your position to argue balls and strikes do you not understand?

[SAump]

Did you read Damon's excuse about the 3B umpire. I believe the offense, at any level, doesn't have the right to request a check swing appeal. What Damon did wasn't right. I hope this post doesn't offend anybody. I am on edge today. If I am wrong, I welcome the correct interpretation.

[nickrego]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

What about leaving your position to argue balls and strikes do you not understand?

And what don't you get about the argument NOT being about the Strike Zone ?

The question was a matter of if the batter offered at the ball. A judgment call, just like EVERY other call we make, but not related to Balls & Strikes from the point of view of the Strike Zone.

So, yeah, I'll let a coach call time and come out and talk to me about it. And if he does it right, he stays in the game.

But what Damon did, immediate ejection.