When to signal, or not to...

[Uncle George]

I'm not a troll, (whatever that means)! Just another 15+ year ump of high school and legion ball doing what he likes to do. No where in the thread did I say you had to agree with me. The ultimate end is getting the call right. So what if I soft sell the call and the coach comes out. He's going to get the same response from me, the ball beat the runner or the runner beat the ball, tag or no tag! It's that simple. Personally, umps who do some "show boating" are telling the people in attendance, look at me, I'm dah man in charge! I don't think the rule book says anyting about "show business" does it? Didn't think so! On the field, we're partners and I'll do my best, you do your best. If you need me, you call, if I need you, same thing. And if I'm ever working with you and you want to do the "acting thing", go right ahead, but don't look to me for an Emmy! All you'll get is "it's been nice working with you!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Uncle George

I'm not a troll, (whatever that means)! Just another 15+ year ump of high school and legion ball doing what he likes to do. No where in the thread did I say you had to agree with me. The ultimate end is getting the call right. So what if I soft sell the call and the coach comes out. He's going to get the same response from me, the ball beat the runner or the runner beat the ball, tag or no tag! It's that simple. Personally, umps who do some "show boating" are telling the people in attendance, look at me, I'm dah man in charge! I don't think the rule book says anyting about "show business" does it? Didn't think so! On the field, we're partners and I'll do my best, you do your best. If you need me, you call, if I need you, same thing. And if I'm ever working with you and you want to do the "acting thing", go right ahead, but don't look to me for an Emmy! All you'll get is "it's been nice working with you!

You really think that selling a close call with a "he got him!" and a punch out signal is "show boating?" Wow, what umpire school taught you this? You soft sell a bang-bang play around these parts, you'll soon be looking at a sub-varsity assignment sheet.

[Uncle George]

You don't have to scream it at the top of your lungs...you don't have to get down on one knee and let the whole complex know it. In most cases, you've got a coach at first base and the only ones who need to know that the batter-runner is out is the the batter-runner and the coach! Kiss it! (Keep it short and simple)!

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Uncle George

You don't have to scream it at the top of your lungs...you don't have to get down on one knee and let the whole complex know it. In most cases, you've got a coach at first base and the only ones who need to know that the batter-runner is out is the the batter-runner and the coach! Kiss it! (Keep it short and simple)!

If it's a simple call then there's no need for anything more than a subtle signal and low verbal call. If it's a banger, you need to sell it and turn around and head back to your position. In order to sell a banger, yes, you need to be demonstrative.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Uncle George

You don't have to scream it at the top of your lungs...you don't have to get down on one knee and let the whole complex know it. In most cases, you've got a coach at first base and the only ones who need to know that the batter-runner is out is the the batter-runner and the coach! Kiss it! (Keep it short and simple)!

Dude, are you just making this up as you go along?

Seriously, I have never heard anyone at any level suggest what you are saying.

Also to say no one needs to hear you, that is a bunch of crap. During timing plays you need to "yell" so that your partner is aware of when the last out has taken place so we can determine if a run counts or not.

BTW, umpires/officials are always noticed even when you think we are not. We get noticed the minute we enter the field. Do not think for a second no one sees who is working a game and make judgments about you before that game.

Peace

[Uncle George]

[QUOTE=JRutledge

Also to say no one needs to hear you, that is a bunch of crap. During timing plays you need to "yell" so that your partner is aware of when the last out has taken place so we can determine if a run counts or not.

Peace[/QUOTE]

Look, if the BU is making a call at second, his back is to the PU and hollering in the direction of the center fielder won't help at all. When I'm the PU and there's a timing play, I watch for the BU's signal, I don't listen for the call!

[BigUmp56]

If I'm making a call at second on a timing play you can bet my partner can hear me when I make the call. The PU needs to be looking at the touch of the plate, not watching the BU!


Tim.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

If I'm making a call at second on a timing play you can bet my partner can hear me when I make the call. The PU needs to be looking at the touch of the plate, not watching the BU!


Tim.

Tim,

Could this be our favorite friend from the other site back to haunt us?

How about we all JUST IGNORE HIM?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

If I'm making a call at second on a timing play you can bet my partner can hear me when I make the call. The PU needs to be looking at the touch of the plate, not watching the BU!


Tim.

Tee has actually given the correct answer on proper "timing play" mechanics on another thread started by TussAgee. Go check it out and see the exact proper way to handle this.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by Uncle George

You don't have to scream it at the top of your lungs...you don't have to get down on one knee and let the whole complex know it. In most cases, you've got a coach at first base and the only ones who need to know that the batter-runner is out is the the batter-runner and the coach! Kiss it! (Keep it short and simple)!

Okay.... now I get it. The games your doing have no scorekeeper, scoreboard operator and they keep no statistics. So you're working either coach pitch or Tee Ball. Keep your calls to yourself...

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Uncle George

...you don't have to get down on one knee and let the whole complex know it.

Are you serious? The reason that many umpires get on one knee for a potentially close play is for stability, so their head and body are still, in order to make the correct call. Nobody gets down on one knee to call attention to themselves.

1 year experience 15+ times, I say.

[Mountaineer]

Hey Chicken George, I think theres a NFHS Umpire's Manual that explains in what is expected from a "sell" call? Maybe you should read up on the subject . . .

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Hey Chicken George

LOL!!!!

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Are you serious? The reason that many umpires get on one knee for a potentially close play is for stability, so their head and body are still, in order to make the correct call. Nobody gets down on one knee to call attention to themselves.

1 year experience 15+ times, I say.

Getting down on a knee is a horrible habit, in my opinion.

I see guys do it on plays at first. On a bad throw that requires a lean and a look to get the swipe tag correctly, how do you do that from one knee?

And if you are waiting to read the throw before coming set, it's pretty hard to get on one knee set in time to make the call.

The guys on TV can do it because a vast majority of the throws are true. For those of us who may have to handle multiple swipe tags per GAME, it's better to use a standing set.

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Getting down on a knee is a horrible habit, in my opinion.

I see guys do it on plays at first. On a bad throw that requires a lean and a look to get the swipe tag correctly, how do you do that from one knee?

And if you are waiting to read the throw before coming set, it's pretty hard to get on one knee set in time to make the call.

The guys on TV can do it because a vast majority of the throws are true. For those of us who may have to handle multiple swipe tags per GAME, it's better to use a standing set.

Despite that some MLB umps do take a knee on the bases, I have never heard one of them recommend it. One needs to be ready to adjust to the play, and as Rich has said, that requires "a lean and a look", sometimes, a step and a lean and a look...something that is not well performed from the knee.