LL Mandatory Play

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

As for your comment about playing "real" baseball. Until LL moves the bases to 70ft. and allows runners to lead off, run on an uncaught third strike etc. then talk to me about "real" baseball.

Pete Booth

70' is "real" baseball?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

70' is "real" baseball?

Actually, the distance to the base isn't what determines whether or not it's real baseball. The other rules he mentioned are what determines it. Mustang League in the PONY organization plays "real baseball" on 60ft. bases because of their age (9-10). But they have leadoffs, pickoffs, balks, uncaught 3rd strikes, and all the other goodies associtated with "real baseball." There is no arbitrary diamond size or age group that distinguishes real baseball from anything less.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Actually, the distance to the base isn't what determines whether or not it's real baseball. The other rules he mentioned are what determines it. Mustang League in the PONY organization plays "real baseball" on 60ft. bases because of their age (9-10). But they have leadoffs, pickoffs, balks, uncaught 3rd strikes, and all the other goodies associtated with "real baseball." There is no arbitrary diamond size or age group that distinguishes real baseball from anything less.

Oh, THAT makes it real baseball. Every walk is a triple.

[GarthB]

"Real" baseball is not played on 60', 70' or 80' diamonds. I am familiar with a number of youth organization's rules and add-ons. None of them play "real" baseball.

There is no "real" baseball below the MiLB level.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GarthB

"Real" baseball is not played on 60', 70' or 80' diamonds. I am familiar with a number of youth organization's rules and add-ons. None of them play "real" baseball.

There is no "real" baseball below the MiLB level.

So you're saying that HS and college baseball isn't real baseball?

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

So you're saying that HS and college baseball isn't real baseball?

Yes. College is a game very similar, but unless you are using OBR without any effin add-ons and safety rules, it ain't "real" baseball. I've heard from several local college players who got drafted and who say, "it's great to be playing real baseball."

Remember now, I am talking about the game itself, not the quality of play.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

There is no "real" baseball below the MiLB level.

I guess unless we're pro umpires, we've just been wasting our time all these years. Damn, before coming on these internet charlie sites, I was a pretty confident and happy sports official. Now I find out I've been working fake baseball all this time. How depressing.

[Carbide Keyman]

I was feelin' real good about myself and my umpirin' till I found out that bein' a XXL shirt wearin', +POS chest protector wearin', HSM wearin' should disqualify me from being a good umpire and bein' seen in public as a member of the umpirin' community.

I'm shore glad it was pointed out to me before I made a fool of myself !




Doug

[Dave Hensley]

I don't take the "real baseball" bait. There's pro baseball, there's college, there's HS, there's Connie Mack, there's amateur adult baseball, and yes, there's Litte League (both trademarked and generic) baseball. And on and on.

In 1994 when my two sons were pretty much at the peak of their fanaticism over what some here are calling "real" baseball, the "real" baseball players went on strike. My boys were devastated, until I packed them in the van and took them on a little vacation. We saw MiLB games, we saw independent pro games, and we saw high school summer leagues playing baseball that was real enough for us.

That strike wasn't, and wasn't close to, the end of baseball. Pardon my James Earl Jones imitation, but as long as there are youth fields and high school fields and beer league fields dotting the landscape, people will be playing, watching, and umpiring baseball, whether the bonus babies are out there performing or not.

F**k "real" baseball. The baseball I participate in is real enough for me.

[PeteBooth]

Originally Posted by GarthB

"Real" baseball is not played on 60', 70' or 80' diamonds. I am familiar with a number of youth organization's rules and add-ons. None of them play "real" baseball.

There is no "real" baseball below the MiLB level.

Garth, that is your opinion but I disagree with it. So what Pete Rose did to Ray Fosse in the All Star Game is "REAL" baseball.

The Term for "real" baseball means players can lead off the bases, stealing allowed, Balks are enforced etc. etc.

The one thing I do not like is the metal bats. The game IMO was meant for wood.

I do not know of any league other than PRO Ball that does not have safety caveats and for good reason, however that does not mean they are not playing "Real" baseball.

Since you are using EXTREMES, I will also go to the extreme as well. Today in MLB we have the DH, InterLeague Play, Wild card teams, The pitching mound was lowered. The baseballs are juiced (as are the players), ball parks are smaller. In addition, F1 cannot retaliate the way they could in the past. Today after F1 hits a batter and in the judgement of the umpire warrants a warning, the next F1 (normally the one who retaliates) is ejected. Not so when Gibson, Kofax, Drysdale pitched.

So does the aforementioned mean that prior to the changes that MLB put in place, the players "back in the day" played "REAL" baseball and the players today are playing an "imitation" form.

To each his own as they say.

Pete Booth

[woolnojg]

Joe,
I can get three outs from bases loaded even with a ball thown out of play, with no outs to start with.
Runner from 1st passes runner on 2nd. Runner from first is now out.
Runner on 2nd now passes runner on 3rd. Runner from 2nd is now out.
Runner on 3rd will now head into the dugout. 3rd out.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by woolnojg

Joe,
I can get three outs from bases loaded even with a ball thown out of play, with no outs to start with.
Runner from 1st passes runner on 2nd. Runner from first is now out.
Runner on 2nd now passes runner on 3rd. Runner from 2nd is now out.
Runner on 3rd will now head into the dugout. 3rd out.

T.W.P.

[ctblu40]

Originally Posted by woolnojg

Joe,
I can get three outs from bases loaded even with a ball thown out of play, with no outs to start with.
Runner from 1st passes runner on 2nd. Runner from first is now out.
Runner on 2nd now passes runner on 3rd. Runner from 2nd is now out.
Runner on 3rd will now head into the dugout. 3rd out.

If the coach did this, he should be awarded victory just for knowing the rules. He should also win a golden medallion!

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by PeteBooth

Garth, that is your opinion but I disagree with it.

Uh...okay.