Batter out of box

[Tim C]

JR:

I do not believe I have ever used a "smiley face" before . . .

POTW,

Regards,

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by Tim C

JR:

I do not believe I have ever used a "smiley face" before . . .

POTW,

Regards,

Tim, maybe you should smile more?

[Tim C]

"It is not about finding or looking for problems, it is about enforcing the rules of the game."

And therein Ron lies part of the problem.

Baseball, more than other sports, is heavily influenced by not only "common sense and fair play" but by what Evans calls "common usage and tradition."

We call a game with established rules (I consider them "guidelines") that have been influenced by not only decades of play situations but defined information from several sources that impact individual rules codes (i.e. before the recent OBR release there were 237 common erros in the OBR, slowly they are being corrected).

I am not going to sit here and call people names or get over emotional about any baseball rule, "guideline" or play.

I have given my honest and unadulterated opinion about this "mechanic" (not the rule, note we are talking about physical abilities) and the fact will always remain that I have not called this violation nor can I picture a time that I would.

For me (again, my opinion) is that umpiring is not done for "fun" -- it is a serious commitment and a constant effort to umpire a perfect game.

Sorry we can never agree on the play in question . . . but I do ask that you understand that some people review umpiring is a slightly different light than you.

I can understand your position -- can you understand, or respect mine?

Regards,

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by Tim C

"It is not about finding or looking for problems, it is about enforcing the rules of the game."

And therein Ron lies part of the problem.

Baseball, more than other sports, is heavily influenced by not only "common sense and fair play" but by what Evans calls "common usage and tradition."

We call a game with established rules (I consider them "guidelines") that have been influenced by not only decades of play situations but defined information from several sources that impact individual rules codes (i.e. before the recent OBR release there were 237 common erros in the OBR, slowly they are being corrected).

I am not going to sit here and call people names or get over emotional about any baseball rule, "guideline" or play.

I have given my honest and unadulterated opinion about this "mechanic" (not the rule, note we are talking about physical abilities) and the fact will always remain that I have not called this violation nor can I picture a time that I would.

For me (again, my opinion) is that umpiring is not done for "fun" -- it is a serious commitment and a constant effort to umpire a perfect game.

Sorry we can never agree on the play in question . . . but I do ask that you understand that some people review umpiring is a slightly different light than you.

I can understand your position -- can you understand, or respect mine?

Regards,

I do respect your opinion, we can agree to disagree on this topic.

[3appleshigh]

to write it off as well it's a sac bunt, therefore they are giving the out anyway, shows a distinct lack of understanding of the stratagy and the Ideas behind the SAC. The offense GAINS something by having a SAC, they move a runner into Scoring position. In a tie or close game this is a much more importants and crucial play than an attempted Bunt single.

When it happens it is obvious. And easily called, easier than a check swing, and it happens right infront of your face, in your vision. It will only happen on a pitch out or one that got away. As I said before in my instance the ONLY way the kid could have reached the pitch (with out laying out for it) was to be WAY out of the box. He left his FOOT print in the dirt about 6 in behind the point of home plate Toes facing the pitcher. Unless he wears a size 55E shoe, he's out of the box.

[mcrowder]

And you're SURE the foot is grounded at the moment the pitch hits the bat?

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

And you're SURE the foot is grounded at the moment the pitch hits the bat?

How many times a game does a batter hit the ball with his front foot in the air?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

to write it off as well it's a sac bunt, therefore they are giving the out anyway, shows a distinct lack of understanding of the stratagy and the Ideas behind the SAC. The offense GAINS something by having a SAC, they move a runner into Scoring position. In a tie or close game this is a much more importants and crucial play than an attempted Bunt single.

When it happens it is obvious. And easily called, easier than a check swing, and it happens right infront of your face, in your vision. It will only happen on a pitch out or one that got away. As I said before in my instance the ONLY way the kid could have reached the pitch (with out laying out for it) was to be WAY out of the box. He left his FOOT print in the dirt about 6 in behind the point of home plate Toes facing the pitcher. Unless he wears a size 55E shoe, he's out of the box.

Yup, we understand nothing about the game of baseball. We're idiots.

Thank goodness that I don't have to work with such learned people as yourself.

[Tim C]

I will let 3appleshigh body of work speak for itself.

Again, it is impossible to follow a pitch and watch the foot. Even in Canada that's a fact.

Regards,