JM, Steve, and Others

[BigUmp56]

I'm wondering if it's really worth it to continue to point out the erroneous information he posts on this site any longer. I keep hoping to see some improvement, but I doubt any is forthcoming. Just a thought on a late Friday night.



Tim.

[UmpJM]

Tim,

I have this unfortunate tendency to give people the benefit of the doubt. If he were to make a "good faith" post, I would be inclined to respond in kind.

If he were to do otherwise, I would be inclined to completely ignore it.

I guess we'll see.

JM

P.S. Happy Independence Day! I'm working on my Independence Day "quiz" for my children at the moment. A "passing grade" exempts them from being woken up very early that morning by me very LOUDLY reading them the Declaration of Independence. Got any good questions for me?

[LakeErieUmp]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I understand where JM is coming from. Playing, and coaching, we read the BOOK. Not the commentary, or J/R, or the rest, but the BOOK. For example, a strike is armpits (or letters, or whichever rule) to knees, across the white. Regardless of score, regardless of time, regardless of age.
So, to a coach, THEIR version of the book controls.
If WE, as umpires, cannot EXPLAIN the book to them of course they'll object.
All that being said, my best advice to coaches is listen to your catcher - after all, he's with us all nine.

[BigUmp56]

Hmmmm..

Who was the youngest man to sign the Declaration of Independence?

Who was the oldest?

What two future presidents signed the Declaration?

Who was the President of the Continental Congress at the time of the signing?

How many men signed the Declaration?

What document was used by Thomas Jefferson as a foundation for the Declaration of Independence?



Tim.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Hmmmm..

Who was the youngest man to sign the Declaration of Independence?

Who was the oldest?

What two future presidents signed the Declaration?

Who was the President of the Continental Congress at the time of the signing?

How many men signed the Declaration?

What document was used by Thomas Jefferson as a foundation for the Declaration of Independence?



Tim.

Tim,

1. Can't remember

2. Benjamin Franklin

3. John Adams and Thomas Jefferson

4. Don't know

5. 56

6. Don't know the exact name, but I believe it was the Commonwealth of Virginia declaration.

How'd I do? All of this was "off the top of my head" - I resisted the urge to look it up. Besides, my kids are 16, 14, & 12. I want them to know what the document says & "earn" the right not to have me wake them up really early - so I don't want it to be too hard.

JM

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

Tim,

1. Can't remember


4. Don't know

JM

1. Edward Rutledge

4. John Hancock

[BigUmp56]

The youngest to sign was Edward Rutledge (26)

John Hancock was the president of the Continental Congress at the time.

You're correct about the Commonwealth of Virgina Declaration.


Tim.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by GarthB

1. Edward Rutledge

4. John Hancock

Tim & Garth,

1. If I remember correctly, the only "signer" who was under the age of 30 at the time. Any relation to JRut ?

4. How embarrassing!! That was an EASY question.

JM

[LakeErieUmp]

Oh how I yearn for the days of balling a fastpitch player, and hands being part of the bat (which means if my hands grab the $10,000 diamond ring from the jewelry case it's a part of me) and foul tips don't have to be caught!!!

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

The youngest to sign was Edward Rutledge (26)

John Hancock was the president of the Continental Congress at the time.

You're correct about the Commonwealth of Virgina Declaration.


Tim.

Although some historians have assumed that the first paragraph of the Virginia Declaration of Rights influenced the Declaration of Indpendence, Jefferson does not credit the it with any kinship. The body of the Virginia Declaration is primarily a listing of 16 rights more similar to the the Bill of Rights contained in the US Constitution.

The Declaration of Independence took the form of a resolution with a list of grievances against the King and a conclusion, albeit without the "Therfore be it resolved," that "declared" the states "are and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States......"

[BigUmp56]

That's interesting, Garth. Does Jefferson attribute some of his drafting of the Declaration of Independence to the The First Virginia Constitution that was written in May of that year?


Tim.

[GarthB]

Jefferson, in his letters, refers to a pamphlet he wrote in 1774, "A Summary View of the Rights of British America," which shares some of the form of the Declaration of Independence and the listing of grievances. I'm sure you can find the document on the internet somewhere. Check it out, it will look familiar.

[BigUmp56]

I'll do that, thanks.


Tim.

[GarthB]

I apologize to those who are bewildered by how off-topic this thread became. One of my teaching endorsements is in history, and my family claims Oliver Wolcott, a signer of the Declaration of Indenpendence, as an ancestor.

Thus, I am inclined to jump in on historical discussions, particularly those of "Colonial Times" and/or New York and New England.

Again, sorry.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by GarthB

I apologize to those who are bewildered by how off-topic this thread became. One of my teaching endorsements is in history, and my family claims Oliver Wolcott, a signer of the Declaration of Indenpendence, as an ancestor.

Thus, I am inclined to jump in on historical discussions, particularly those of "Colonial Times" and/or New York and New England.

Again, sorry.

I thought it was very interesting. This is just a fun thread where we can post what we like.