HR, batter misses 1st

[orioles35]

I actually had one of these happen to me for a change.

Two outs, team at bat only has eight players so the #9 batter is an automatic out. #8 is at the plate and hits a HR, then misses first. I see it, BU sees it, the defensive team sees it.

I conduct business as usual, watch the runners touch bases, the defense leaves the field for the 3rd out, I walk over to the fence and get a drink, then stand on the foul line while they discuss what they're going to do. No one asks me anything this whole time, but the defense knew the batter missed first. They decide not to appeal because "it wouldn't matter, the next batter was out anyway".

Other than another coach not knowing the rules (no run can score on a batter retired before reaching 1st base), but at what point could they have made an appeal, since it cannot be made after the first pitch to the next batter...but the next batter was an automatic out?

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by orioles35

I actually had one of these happen to me for a change.

Two outs, team at bat only has eight players so the #9 batter is an automatic out. #8 is at the plate and hits a HR, then misses first. I see it, BU sees it, the defensive team sees it.

I conduct business as usual, watch the runners touch bases, the defense leaves the field for the 3rd out, I walk over to the fence and get a drink, then stand on the foul line while they discuss what they're going to do. No one asks me anything this whole time, but the defense knew the batter missed first. They decide not to appeal because "it wouldn't matter, the next batter was out anyway".

Other than another coach not knowing the rules (no run can score on a batter retired before reaching 1st base), but at what point could they have made an appeal, since it cannot be made after the first pitch to the next batter...but the next batter was an automatic out?

orioles35,

Well, it kind of depends a little bit on the rule code (and, for the life of me, I can't figure out which rule code THIS game was played under!), the defense generally can appeal a baserunning infraction as long as the defensive infielders (including the pitcher) have not ALL left fair territory.

If I were the defensive manager, I wouldn't hesitate to appeal THIS one at all!

JM

[LDUB]

Also in Federation play the defense has until the umpires leave the field to appeal on a game ending play.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by LDUB

Also in Federation play the defense has until the umpires leave the field to appeal on a game ending play.

Luke:

Wasn't there a FED case play recently that had the winning run scoring on a bases loaded homerun where a runner missed a base regardless of a proper appeal?


Tim.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Luke:

Wasn't there a FED case play recently that had the winning run scoring on a bases loaded homerun where a runner missed a base regardless of a proper appeal?


Tim.

I'm not Luke, but I think the play you are thinking of had BR pass R1 after BR touched first. So, the third out was not a "force", and the other runs were allowed to score.

In the original play, an appeal is allowed until the next pitch, defense-initiated play, IBB, defense leaves field (FED rules). "Another out" or "another batter" or a "declared out for empty line-up spot" has no bearing.

[SanDiegoSteve]

In the original play, wouldn't this just qualify as an adventageous 4th out by appeal if they made a proper appeal before the defense left the field?