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Regardless of whether or not the plate ump should have been watching the play or not, the field ump is a poor umpire.
He boots the call at first by not being in position, then when he goes for help and is told what happens he basically says I’m not taking the chance of this game going into extra-innings so, ball-game. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if this guy really did see the pulled foot and just blew it off to get the game over with, and then went to you to try to cover his a$$ after getting called on it. I really wish there wasn’t such a shortage of umpires in some areas so guys like this wouldn’t be able to get a job above T-ball. I think after this game I would be making a call to my assignor and kindly ask not to be partnered with this guy again.
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I am surprised at the nature of all these posts. Number one: if the BU asks for my opinion and i give it and the BU doesn't take it, why did the BU ask. If the BU. was sure of his/her call then he/she should not have asked. In this case the question was asked so he/she should have change his/her call
Number 2: I think that the PU can do more then one thing at a time. I think that if the PU was at 1B extended the BU would easily see the touches as well as the pulled foot. Tha's just my 2 cent worth Phil |
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I understand that you want to help out with the call at first, but what if R2 cuts third base, he misses it by 10 feet? You're not going to see that because you are staring at first base. You'll be forced to rule safe on the appeal because you didn't see it. I'm sure the defensive team will take solace knowing that you were right on top of that pulled foot instead of noticing runner miss a base by 10 feet. |
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Stick to the established mechanics. Last edited by LMan; Tue Jun 20, 2006 at 12:22pm. |
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Implied in that is 1. Checking for obstruction 2. R2 makes proper turn at third. My comment you are reffering to was directly related to watching an uncontested runner touch home rather than seeing the play at first. It had nothing to do with the PU responsibility at third. "And for what it's worth, I'll guarantee you that you will be the only person watching the foot touch home" I'll take solace knowing your criticism and sarcasm was unfounded, and probably due to your hectic schedule causing an inability to focus, comprehend and grasp the subject at hand. As opposed to just unable to comprehend. Last edited by NIump50; Tue Jun 20, 2006 at 12:54pm. |
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Summary of this thread: **Thom Coste says to watch the base touches. **You reply to Thom " I don't know that I agree" **pdxblue replies to you "I agree...the UIC NEEDS to be paying attention to the pulled foot rather than worrying about runners touching 3rd and home." **mcrowder says pdxblue is wrong **You reply to mcrowder by saying "I'm sure the losing team, after being rung up on a blatantly missed tag at first, will take solace knowing R3 touched home plate even if it didn't count." So far it is Thom and mcrowder who say to watch the touches, and you and pdxblue who say to watch the pulled foot. **pdxblue disagrees with mcrowder **RPatrino says to watch base touches **I disagree with you (remember pdxblue is on your side saying to not watch the touches) **You claim that you are for watching the base touches, going against what pdxblue would do Obviously no one on this forum can understand which side of this discussion you are on. |
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Since I started this mess let me ask the question again....Is there a time when you feel it is acceptable to over rule your partners call? Or do you just offer your view and let him make the decision to change his call? That's just what I did and he didn't change the call even though it was not right.
Let's change the situation of the original post to no one on base. The responsiblities for the PU are significantly reduced in this scenario. Would you act or react differently in this situation if the original "blown call" was not changed? |
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I'm not going to write a book to cover all the possibilities. I think most people caught the implication when I said R2 clears F5. If you didn't understand, maybe you could have asked. I also could not just say "once r2 touches third" because F5 could be sitting on the corner of the bag or playing in on the grass and could still obstruct after the touch. R2 clearing F5 seemed to be a general enough statement to get my point accross. Quote:
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They may not agree with my side, but I've been very clear. In case you still don't know where I stand, here's the simple explanation. Third base important Home plate not as important as first. |
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Then again, your assignor could be like these guys and say what the hell are you doing watching that play at first for anyway instead of having to deal with an obviously incompetent umpire.
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I think after this game I would be making a call to my assignor and kindly ask not to be partnered with this guy again.[/QUOTE]
Even though this particular umpire demonstrated terrible mechanics and gamesmenship, the FIRST thing you do is be man enough to talk to him DIRECTLY after the game is over and away from everyone. That is where you have a SOLID discussion and vent out any problem you had. This is not kindergarten where you go crying to the principal when someone does something you do not like. If, after your discussion with him, you receive NO results, then by all means contact the assignor and refuse to do games with him. If you go "crying" to the assignor every time your partner does something inappropriate you get labled a back-stabber. Case and Point my partner "hung me out to dry" this past weekend, but in the parking lot after the game he apologized and realized what he had done. Hey it happens, it's only a game. If there is something that happens in a game that you do not like, then FIRST be man enough to tell your partner "mono on mono" then if you cannot resolve the issue call the assignor. Pete Booth
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Even though this particular umpire demonstrated terrible mechanics and gamesmenship, the FIRST thing you do is be man enough to talk to him DIRECTLY after the game is over and away from everyone. That is where you have a SOLID discussion and vent out any problem you had. This is not kindergarten where you go crying to the principal when someone does something you do not like. If, after your discussion with him, you receive NO results, then by all means contact the assignor and refuse to do games with him. If you go "crying" to the assignor every time your partner does something inappropriate you get labled a back-stabber. Case and Point my partner "hung me out to dry" this past weekend, but in the parking lot after the game he apologized and realized what he had done. Hey it happens, it's only a game. If there is something that happens in a game that you do not like, then FIRST be man enough to tell your partner "mono on mono" then if you cannot resolve the issue call the assignor. Pete Booth[/QUOTE] Sorry, I just figured that that was a given that you would be talking to him after the game. Even if we worked everything out, I would still ask not to be partnered with this guy for awhile. Hanging you out to dry is one thing, I can deal with that. Intentionally booting a call cause you want to get out of there or you don't want to admit you are wrong or you want to stick it to the coach or whatever lame reason he can come up with is something I won't be a part of. Guess that is just me though.
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