whats the rulebook say

[BigUmp56]

I don't see interference here. What I see is a carelessly discarded bat and an umpire with a limited understanding of the rules of youth baseball. Someone who works USSSA will be better suited to answer your question, but in Little League and Babe Ruth, a carelessly discarded bat warrants a bench warning and an ejection on the next offense. Even with an ejection the only youth organization that I know that calls the offender out is Dizzy Dean.


Tim.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I don't see interference here. What I see is a carelessly discarded bat and an umpire with a limited understanding of the rules of youth baseball. Someone who works USSSA will be better suited to answer your question, but in Little League and Babe Ruth, a carelessy discarded bat warrants a bench warning and an ejection on the next offense. Even with an ejection the only youth organization that I know that calls the offender out is Dizzy Dean.

Tim.

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Should this discarded bat scenario happen after a warning has been issued to the same player and an ejection follows, do you allow a proper baserunning substitution for the responsible party? I know of a catcher who was severely injured by one of those carelessly discarded bats. I left the warning on the table for a MINOR infraction, but a MAJOR accident is reason enough for an immediate expulsion and an OUT. You are definitely putting the game ahead of the safety of those involved. I will not.

I suppose it is easy for an UMPIRE of your caliber to sit on the sidelines and criticize the rulings of every other umpire. I supppose the umpires at that tournament did not fully comprehend the rules either. Please explain why the umpires at that ballpark decided to bend the rules and eject the offender and wipe the runs off the board. Perhaps you may write a letter to the TD and offer your services at the next clinic.

[BigUmp56]

SA:

Your insult aside let me re-enlighten you. If an umpire felt this was a flagrant unsportsmanlike act, then of course he could issue an ejection for the first offense. However, even if he did eject the offender he cannot, by rule, in the leagues I mentioned call anyone out. He would be making up rules to fit his personal beliefs. Again, LL, BR, and even FED rules address this. If you'll read the intitial post he says it was an "accedent."



Tim.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I don't see interference here. What I see is a carelessly discarded bat and an umpire with a limited understanding of the rules of youth baseball. Someone who works USSSA will be better suited to answer your question, but in Little League and Babe Ruth, a carelessy discarded bat warrants a bench warning and an ejection on the next offense. Even with an ejection the only youth organization that I know that calls the offender out is Dizzy Dean.


Tim.

I went back and quoted my first post in this thread for you, SA. Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.


Tim.

[LakeErieUmp]

What's the record for the longest thread that said nothing new?

[Rich Ives]

Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.

I can't find any 6.7.1 in Dizzy Dean. I can only find a bat slinging rule for the two 8 and under groups and it's rule 20:01.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.

I can't find any 6.7.1 in Dizzy Dean. I can only find a bat slinging rule for the two 8 and under groups and it's rule 20:01.

This whole friggin' thread is making me dizzy, Dean.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

This whole friggin' thread is making me dizzy, Dean.

LMan,

I realize this is a very long thread, but post #86 already contained this humor. You need to get your own material.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

LMan,

I realize this is a very long thread, but post #86 already contained this humor. You need to get your own material.

You dont think I could actually stand to read all that, do you?? That it was in "Post #86 (!!!)" is indictment enough!

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Notice in the post where I mention that Dizzy Dean is the only organization that I'm aware of that has a provision for calling a batter out for a carelessly discarded bat. That's exactly where you found that rule, so it still does nothing to support your nonsense.

I can't find any 6.7.1 in Dizzy Dean. I can only find a bat slinging rule for the two 8 and under groups and it's rule 20:01.

Well, I'll wait for him to post where he came up with that rule then, Rich. You and I both know that we discussed the Dizzy Dean rule on eteamz earlier this month. I pulled the rule off of their web-site then and really didn't see the need to re-confirm what the number of the rule was.


Tim.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by LakeErieUmp

What's the record for the longest thread that said nothing new?

The original (as it pertains to me) RISING FASTBALL MYTH was viewed well over 3000 times and had just short of 300 posts. It was then deleted by the original author who thought nothing of the contibutions from every other member. I lost at least 30 in that one thread.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by SAump

The original (as it pertains to me) RISING FASTBALL MYTH was viewed well over 3000 times and had just short of 300 posts. It was then deleted by the original author who thought nothing of the contibutions from every other member. I lost at least 30 in that one thread.

I deleted the thread because it was like arguing with a four year old child. Your use of misdirection by posting equations non essential to the debate became sickening, so I killed it.


Tim.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by SAump

I lost at least 30 in that one thread.

The mind shudders at the tragedy.

[mcrowder]

The thing you guys are not TAKING into account here is LIFT. Surely you all realize that LIFT is the reason the batter is ejected and out. That AND random capiTALIZation of words.

[BigUmp56]

Mike:

I was sure someone would RISE to the occasion and put a new SPIN on the play. Even though the MASS of the bat was PROPELLED with such FORCE that it FLEW into the catcher, there is no way to call the batter out, and that's just a DRAG!


Tim.