Cal Ripken Ball In Play Rule Question

[TheRefinator]

situation: Player A rounds second base and is less than 1/2 way to third when a thrown ball by an infielder rolls "under" the fence causing it to be dead. Player A is only allowed to advance to third in this situation or is he allowed home? A reply with rule quoted would be appreciated.

sorry, should have mentioned it's 11-12 year division if that makes a difference

[NFump]

7.05 g is the rule.

[NFump]

Two bases from time of throw. Runner should be awarded home.

[BigUmp56]

Bruce:

Carefull, this sure sounds like the first play by an infielder, in which case the award would be two bases from TOP, leaving the runner on third.


Tim.

[UmpJM]

Refinator,

It depends.

Was the throw by the infielder which went out of play the "first play" attempted by the defense after a batted ball? If so, then it would depend on what base the runner "occupied" at the time the pitcher initiated his delivery.

If it was the first play and the runner occupied 1B at the Time of Pitch (TOP), then the correct award would be 3B. Doesn't matter if the runner is halfway between 1B and 2B, halfway between 2B and 3B, or alread rounding 3B.

If the throw was NOT the 1st play by an infielder, then it depends on what base the runner had reached/passed at the time the throw left the infielder's hand. He would be awarded 2 bases beyond that base.

7.05
Each runner including the batter runner may, without liability to be put out, advance_ ...(g) Two bases when, with no spectators on the playing field, a thrown ball goes into the stands, or into a bench (whether or not the ball rebounds into the field), or over or under or through a field fence, or on a slanting part of the screen above the backstop, or remains in the meshes of a wire screen protecting spectators. The ball is dead. When such wild throw is the first play by an infielder, the umpire, in awarding such bases, shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the ball was pitched; in all other cases the umpire shall be governed by the position of the runners at the time the wild throw was made; ...

JM

[BigUmp56]

JM:

Do I have to change font colors here also?



Tim.

[NFump]

situation: Player A rounds second base...unlikely this is a first play. More likely a base hit to the outfield.

[TheRefinator]

Sorry, should have been more specific. It was a hit to the outfield, and the errant throw was to third by the first baseman who recieved the ball from the right fielder.

[DG]

Originally Posted by TheRefinator

Sorry, should have been more specific. It was a hit to the outfield, and the errant throw was to third by the first baseman who recieved the ball from the right fielder.

Two bases from TOT from an outfielder, or TOT from an infielder when not the first play, by an infielder. Award the runner HOME.

[TheRefinator]

So, the errant throw by the first baseman isn't considered the "first" play by an infielder? Also, rule 7.05 g is Major League. I am quite sure that Cal Ripken has a rule specific to this situation that differs from even high school rules.

[UmpJM]

Originally Posted by TheRefinator

So, the errant throw by the first baseman isn't considered the "first" play by an infielder?

Refinator,

That's correct.

What the rule really means is "if the first play by the defense is a throw by an infielder" which then goes out of play, the award is 2 bases from TOP.

Otherwise, it's 2 bases TOT.

JM

[DG]

Originally Posted by TheRefinator

So, the errant throw by the first baseman isn't considered the "first" play by an infielder? Also, rule 7.05 g is Major League. I am quite sure that Cal Ripken has a rule specific to this situation that differs from even high school rules.

Quote the Cal Ripken rule, if you can. I don't believe it exists.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by DG

Quote the Cal Ripken rule, if you can. I don't believe it exists.

7.05(g) in the CR/BR rule book is taken verbatim from OBR.


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

I'm pretty darn sure that it's the same in all rule codes. Two bases from the position of the runner at the time of the throw.

[mcrowder]

One assumption has been made here that might not be correct. Poster says runner is between 2nd and 3rd WHEN THE BALL ROLLS UNDER THE FENCE. It's been alluded to, but not specifically stated --- but what matters is not where the runner was when the ball rolls under the fence, but rather where the runner was when the ball was THROWN. If runner was rounding, but shy of 2nd base, when F3 threw the ball, 3rd base is the proper award.