Devil Rays prospect throws bat at plate umpire

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by PWL

My "point" is if he had respected the official that felt it was necessary to go on strike to be respected, he wouldn't have been in the situation to be disrespected in the first place.

I'm not saying what Delmon Young did in any way was right. However, I could care less if the official it happened to was some one getting his jollies by crossing a picket line. Respect is a two way street and this person who got hit with a bat does not have mine for what he chose to do. Just like swimming in the ocean. You might have a good time, but no one can guarantee you won't get shark bit.

You don't have a point! It's mob mentality like this that does serious damage to the unions image in this country. If you want to support the unions I respect that. I'm a strong union supporter myself, but this is not a non union -vs- union issue here any longer. This incident is about simple decency toward another persons right to be unaccosted while doing something they have a Constitutional right to do.


Tim.

[JRutledge]

I find it interesting that when the issue of the possible lack of training comes up people want to just dust that under the rug. We can have a post about why MLB Umpires do not do certain things as compared to what amateur umpires do, but we cannot in this situation possibly question the ability level of the umpire. We are also don’t want to discuss the possibility that the "gag order" might have helped the frustrations come to the surface. I just find it interesting that we can debate whether MLB Umpires still "got it" but we cannot discuss why certain umpires who have made a conscious decision to work games at the pro level why they likely were not properly trained to work pro games in the first place? We have umpires here that think they could step into a MLB game right now when they sit on their couch and watch the game on TV. When we entertain the ability of the "replacement" umpires than that cannot be discussed at all. God forbid that we treat this "replacements the same way we do the pro umpires.

Peace

[wsttxump]

After reading this article it is apparent the AMLU guys have trouble with him as well. I am shocked after all they are properly trained, professional umpires according to the "Crew" chief.


Tampa Bay Devil Rays top prospect Delmon Young is facing a potentially lengthy suspension after throwing his bat at an umpire's chest during Wednesday night's game at Pawtucket.
The Durham Bulls outfielder, listed No. 1 on most prospect lists, including MLB.com's, took a called third strike from Pawtucket's Jon Lester in the first inning of the International League contest. Following the strike call, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2003 draft refused to leave the batter's box, glaring back at the home plate umpire for an extended period of time, according to those who witnessed the game.

"He stood there, looking back for a long period of time, maybe 30 seconds," Pawtucket broadcaster Dan Hoard recalled. "It was borderline, but not ridiculous from the vantage point of the broadcasting booth. I've learned since, from the Pawtucket catcher (Corky Miller), that the umpire told him to go back and he wouldn't go."

Young finally took a step or two toward his dugout when the umpire ejected him from the game. The timing of the ejection made it seem like Young said something to the umpire as he began his retreat, but Hoard said Miller told him Young was silent at the time.

Young then took a couple of steps and threw the bat at the umpire. According to AP reports, Young flipped the bat underhand. It sailed end over end and hit the umpire in the chest.

"It wasn't with force, but I'd say that was his intent," Hoard said. "He went back to the dugout and disappeared. That was the end of his night and the end of his playing for some time."

No one from the International League was available for comment on the incident. According to policy, the umpire will file a report with president Randy Mobley on Thursday. Mobley, in turn, will read it, interview those involved in the incident and make the decision what kind of suspension should be handed down.

In addition, no one with the Devil Rays, including several players reached for comment, would comment until executives in the organization had a chance to review tape of the incident. Young, 20, gave an official "no comment" when reached in his hotel room after the game. "It's going to be interesting," Hoard said. "He's certainly looking at a lengthy suspension from the league. I'm not sure if the Rays will tack on anything.

"I've never seen anyone throw a bat at anybody. I've seen a lot of games and never seen that before."

This is not the first time Young has let his anger get the better of him. Last May, while playing in the Double-A Southern League for the Montgomery Biscuits, he drew a three-game suspension for bumping an umpire. He also was nearly ejected earlier in the season when, after being hit by a pitch, he flung his bat in the air and it landed about 20 feet from the pitcher.

Minor League Baseball games have been umpired by replacements for every game thus far in the 2006 season, with the regular crews currently out on strike.

[PanamaCityBrian]

I am so ashamed that while I read this post I am wanting to pursue a long term position in the ranks of Umpires!!!! Let me say to hear some of the political babble that goes on in the forum is normally tolerable but to hear some of you grown men, whine that we arent paid enough to call a GAME ( hmmm sounds quite similar to PRO Athletes ) and then when you walk away from the game and they get replacements you get mad and blame the replacements for your problems. Ya know when they tried this in the majors if I am not mistaken the MLB just fired your ***.... hmm maybe because of some of the opinions I have seen in this forum perhaps they should look into it here.

Do not get me wrong, I am all about equal pay and fair wages but..... what does striking do for you..... NOTHING..... striking has never solved anything.... you might get alittle better deal while still giving up thing you didnt want to give up. There are alot of guys who I have seen in here acting like complete children about this whole thing. Remember this is a game about children that men are just lucky enough to able to participate in as they get older and make a decent wage doing so.....

Now I have not heard all the info but apparently the pay increase that the AMLU is vying for look to be what $100 here and $5 there that is what I have managed to gather from reading in this forum. I mean you guys actually think that by you striking you will get the big business of baseball to stop and not continue their games... that business is bigger than the umpires and everything about umpires... and that is sad cause again it is a game and ya need the umpires to run the game but I do not think they care.

But I do feel in the articles I had read about wages I do find that they are not fair or compensatory in the least way for what job the umpires at the MiLB level do... but I do not think striking or you acting like a moron when another human takes a baseball bat to the chest and trying to find someway to justify it by saying he is a SCAB is at all mature!!! GROW UP

In closing I hope the Tampa player is suspended for the year put in anger management and re-evaulated next year prior to the season about reinstatement.

PanamaCitBrian

I understand I will be bashed for this but understand it is one man's opinions and observations.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by PWL

What's your point? If blue is blue, then the little rat scab wouldn't have been out there in the first place. I hope they take up a collection and pay his fine.

...well, it was only a matter of time till someone put their plate-shoe in their mouth... here's more smooth, PR-savvy commentary, certain to increase sympathy for the AMLU

[ncump7]

Originally Posted by moorg

As much as I want to see the professionals back on the field (it couldn't come fast enough for me), this guy is an umpire. I hope we do not use his physical abuse to further the cause. Throw the book at Young. He threw at bat at all of us.

Sorry to disagree with you. He threw the bat at a scab who has disrespected our brothers in blue. I guess this shows that the gloves are coming off in dealing with the "replacements". These guys have been babied by Minor League Baseball since the strike began. If they were treated like the real umpires, they would not be there, the games would not be played, PBUC would have to deal with the umps, and the entire farce would be over. I don't wish an injury on anyone, but the scab was in the wrong place at the wrong time. What have they done to earn respect? Stab our fellow umpires in the back. Not much respect for that from either the players, or other umpires.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ncump7

Sorry to disagree with you. He threw the bat at a scab who has disrespected our brothers in blue. I guess this shows that the gloves are coming off in dealing with the "replacements". These guys have been babied by Minor League Baseball since the strike began. If they were treated like the real umpires, they would not be there, the games would not be played, PBUC would have to deal with the umps, and the entire farce would be over. I don't wish an injury on anyone, but the scab was in the wrong place at the wrong time. What have they done to earn respect? Stab our fellow umpires in the back. Not much respect for that from either the players, or other umpires.

I don't care what the situation, but that would be the last time that player ever thought of throwing a bat at another umpire if he ever tried that with me. He'd be one sorry SOB.

I see you still think they wouldn't have found a way to play their games without these "scabs." That's pretty f-ing funny!

[ToGreySt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I don't care what the situation, but that would be the last time that player ever thought of throwing a bat at another umpire if he ever tried that with me. He'd be one sorry SOB.!

I agree with steve, he would make a mistake by throwing a bat at me, because now I'd have a bat!

but seriously, scab or not, under trained or not, bad call or not, there is NO excuse for what Young did.

I hope they hang him out to dry,

Joe

[Peruvian]

Well, looks like the D-Rays have suspended him already.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/p...t=.jsp&c_id=tb

[moorg]

Originally Posted by ncump7

Sorry to disagree with you. He threw the bat at a scab who has disrespected our brothers in blue. < snip > What have they done to earn respect? Stab our fellow umpires in the back. Not much respect for that from either the players, or other umpires.

I agree with all of those things. I do not respect this guy at all. However, I don't feel comfortable saying that it's okay to throw a bat at an umpire under some circumstances.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by moorg

I agree with all of those things. I do not respect this guy at all. However, I don't feel comfortable saying that it's okay to throw a bat at an umpire under some circumstances.

Awwwww, we so appreciate your moment of humanity there.



I think I remember in school learning that you can not respect a person while still not wishing physical harm to them.

[mattmets]

From the front page of amlu.org

Statement From IL Crew Chief on Delmon Young Incident

"The incident which occurred between Delmon Young and replacement umpire, Richard Cacciatore, is unfortunate to say the least. In most of my dealings with Delmon in the past he has handled himself in a respectful, professional manner. I think the rest of the regular International League umpire staff would echo my sentiments. I can only hope this does not tarnish the career of such a fine, young prospect. Furthermore, I would speculate the whole incident could have been avoided had properly trained, professional umpires been officiating the game." Chris Hubler, IL Crew Chief

[DIV2ump]

Originally Posted by mattmets

From the front page of amlu.org

Look what happened last year with the regular umps. This guy is full of crap.

Double-A Montgomery's Delmon Young yesterday started serving a three-game suspension for bumping an umpire.
Young gave the ump a chest-bump after being ejected from Friday's game. The incident took place after he was called out on strikes for a third time. Source: St. Petersburg Times

[GarthB]

Originally Posted by mattmets

From the front page of amlu.org:From the front page of amlu.org

Statement From IL Crew Chief on Delmon Young Incident

"The incident which occurred between Delmon Young and replacement umpire, Richard Cacciatore, is unfortunate to say the least. In most of my dealings with Delmon in the past he has handled himself in a respectful, professional manner. I think the rest of the regular International League umpire staff would echo my sentiments. I can only hope this does not tarnish the career of such a fine, young prospect. Furthermore, I would speculate the whole incident could have been avoided had properly trained, professional umpires been officiating the game." Chris Hubler, IL Crew Chief

Chris, in his haste to make the replacement look responsible must have forgotten that this "fine, young prospect", tossed a bat at a pitcher and bumped and umpire in games officiated by MiLB umpires just last year. Chris' memory is certainly convenient at best.

"In Double-A ball last year, Young was suspended for three games by the Southern League for bumping the chest of plate umpire Jeff Latter."

Maybe Jeff could refresh Chris' memory.

I fully support the MiLB umpires' goals and demands, but I am disappointed in their rush to use the actions of this a-hole as something caused by a replacement umpire. I don't know who is advising their PR staff, but whoever it is should be fired. The AMLU should be leading by example.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by ncump7

Sorry to disagree with you. He threw the bat at a scab who has disrespected our brothers in blue. I guess this shows that the gloves are coming off in dealing with the "replacements". These guys have been babied by Minor League Baseball since the strike began. If they were treated like the real umpires, they would not be there, the games would not be played, PBUC would have to deal with the umps, and the entire farce would be over. I don't wish an injury on anyone, but the scab was in the wrong place at the wrong time. What have they done to earn respect? Stab our fellow umpires in the back. Not much respect for that from either the players, or other umpires.

What a load of dookey. You are so brainwashed by the Union Cult that you are siding with a socioapath over the umpire.