Nfhs Fpsr @ Hp

[SanDiegoSteve]

Sounded to me like he said R3 was "slightly past home plate," which I took to mean his entire body was past the plate, and F2 was in the left hand batter's box making the throw. He upended the catcher, so he must have been considerably past the plate, IMO.

[bossman72]

I agree with steve.

Bang the DP

[UmpJM]

While there is no way to definitively comment without having seen the play, as described (and the picture I have in my mind from that description), I would be inclined to agree with mcrowder's assessment that this is "nothing", play on.

A bases loaded force at home on a grounder to the 2nd basemen is typically a "close play". The left-hand batter's box begins six inches from home plate. It is well within the realm of likelihood that the R3 made a perfectly legal slide into home and "upended" the catcher with his butt resting on home plate.

It's also entirely possible that the R3 went out of his way to (intentionally) interfere with the F2's chance to complete a double play on the BR. Can't tell from the description.

JM

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CoachJM

While there is no way to definitively comment without having seen the play, as described (and the picture I have in my mind from that description), I would be inclined to agree with mcrowder's assessment that this is "nothing", play on.

A bases loaded force at home on a grounder to the 2nd basemen is typically a "close play". The left-hand batter's box begins six inches from home plate. It is well within the realm of likelihood that the R3 made a perfectly legal slide into home and "upended" the catcher with his butt resting on home plate.


It's also entirely possible that the R3 went out of his way to (intentionally) interfere with the F2's chance to complete a double play on the BR. Can't tell from the description.

JM

It doesn't matter -- is initial contact behind the base (plate)? If so, FPSR.

[Dave Hensley]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

It doesn't matter -- is initial contact behind the base (plate)? If so, FPSR.

Thank you. I was beginning to wonder if I was absent the day they introduced this "the entire body has to be beyond the base and then make contact" in order to call the FPSR violation.

[bossman72]

Originally Posted by Dave Hensley

Thank you. I was beginning to wonder if I was absent the day they introduced this "the entire body has to be beyond the base and then make contact" in order to call the FPSR violation.

Hahaha, i was thinking the same thing, Dave

[mbyron]

I agree with Steve, Rich, Dave: it's not required that the entire player be beyond HP: if contact is made past the plate, it's a FPSR violation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I agree with Steve, Rich, Dave: it's not required that the entire player be beyond HP: if contact is made past the plate, it's a FPSR violation.

INITIAL contact. If contact is made before or on the plate and continues through the plate, it's nothing.

[David B]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

It doesn't matter -- is initial contact behind the base (plate)? If so, FPSR.

I agree this has to be a FPSR. I believe this play was actually in an interpretation one of the last few years, I'll have to look it up and see, but
since he interfered with the play, its an out.

Thanks
David

[SAump]

The runner fulfilled his obligation by sliding. At 2B, the bag absorbs the sliding runners energy, and it is very difficult to actually over-slide the base. Its a different story at the plate. Very few players stop at the plate.

I may rule OUT if I see the runner change his angle trying to take the catcher OUT. But not if he's hustling to SCORE and the play was that close at the plate. I am not going to penalize the runner. Looks like the throw from F4 is what prevented the DP, not the runner. I have nothing, play on.

[LMan]

I'm taking the second out, only because its FEDlandia.

[DG]

He slides "slightly" past the plate and upends the catcher? FPSR, two outs, no run scored. See Case book 2.32.2 Situation C. I hope it never happens to me because I don't like it, but it is what it is.

[SanDiegoSteve]

This is what happens when you change a perfectly good (OBR) rule, which makes no reference as to what is a slide, legal or otherwise, to make up candy-a$$ rules (FED) just to make the game "safer" for little Johnny.

I know, if I don't like FED rules, blah, blah, blah........