Umpire Call Changed

[Thom Coste]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

a conference of umpires was called and the call was changed.


Well that's different from what you initially described. It's probably OK in that case as infomation was exchanged and the call revised.

No. It's not OK.

The base umpire made the call. He saw it, he made the call.

The plate umpire was out of line.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by Thom Coste

No. It's not OK.

The base umpire made the call. He saw it, he made the call.

The plate umpire was out of line.

If the BU requested a conference then, clearly, he was seeking information. Although it is the BU's responsibility to officially make the reversal - I've seen the other umpire make the reversal plenty of times. Although not technically proper, it is really rather academic if BOTH umpires agree with regards to the reversal.

So, I'm not so sure how "out of line" the PU was. It may have been "wrong" ... but "out of line" has a completely different connotation.

Everybody knows why the call is being reversed - because of the added information provided by the PU. Nobody is being fooled. There's no mystery.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[Thom Coste]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

If the BU requested a conference ...
David Emerling
Memphis, TN

But he didn't. The "assistance" was unsolicited. The plate umpire was out of line. And had he done that to me he would have been told to buzz off.

Memphis, you would think it's OK because you are a rat, and you have demonstrated that you like to throw other umpires under the bus.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by Thom Coste

But he didn't. The "assistance" was unsolicited. The plate umpire was out of line. And had he done that to me he would have been told to buzz off.

Memphis, you would think it's OK because you are a rat, and you have demonstrated that you like to throw other umpires under the bus.

Eaaaasy ...

Geez, is somebody not taking their medication?

If the BU didn't call for a conference then, yes, the PU was "out of line."

My gosh, were you sexually abused by your LL coach when you were 10-yrs-old or something? Get some help, man.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[mcrowder]

It's entirely possible that BU was a rookie, and didn't know he could ask for help. PU could have simply went to BU after being asked (yes, this is not proper 99% of the time, but if BU was new, this could be the 1%). The conversation could have been, "Did you actually see the tag?" "No I didn't, I was blocked - did you have a better angle?" "Yes, I did, and the tag was missed. Next time, if you aren't positive, it's OK to ask for help after the play is over - you don't have to wait until coach complains." Or something along those lines.

I agree that in NORMAL circumstances, PU should keep his piehole shut unless asked by BU, and BU should be the one changing the call if there is a change to be made. But that doesn't mean that's appropriate in ALL cases. I don't think we have enough info on that.

But since there WAS a conversation between BU and PU, I find it likely that the right call was eventually made, even if it was done clumsily by this crew.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

My gosh, were you sexually abused by your LL coach when you were 10-yrs-old or something? Get some help, man.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

Congratulations. You just tied for the most ignorant response ever made on this forum.

Quite the accomplishment......and not very funny at all btw.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Congratulations. You just tied for the most ignorant response ever made on this forum.

Quite the accomplishment......and not very funny at all btw.

Then I'll apologize.

I'll only mention that my response was provoked by what cannot be interpreted as anything other than a completely inappropriate shot at myself ... for no particular reason that I can discern from the thread other than this individual's obvious disdain for me. The coach bashing and personal bashing was completely unprovoked, on the other hand. You didn't find that the least bit inappropriate?

Can you tell me what I said that deserved the comment made?

Also - my comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

Eaaaasy ...

Geez, is somebody not taking their medication?

If the BU didn't call for a conference then, yes, the PU was "out of line."

My gosh, were you sexually abused by your LL coach when you were 10-yrs-old or something? Get some help, man.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

No, he just naturally expects you to read what was actually said before responding.

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

No, he just naturally expects you to read what was actually said before responding.

Really? You thought this thread developed in a way where it was obvious as to how the conference was initiated between the two umpires?

I think not.

It has since been made clear, however; but not at the time I made my initial input.

Oh - I read what he said; believe me.

Sounds like he harbors a lot of pent up anger, if you ask me.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Thom Coste

No. It's not OK.

The base umpire made the call. He saw it, he made the call.

The plate umpire was out of line.

NO.

There was a coach driven conference - information was exchenged between the umpires - the call was changed - legit.

[BigUmp56]

Sorry, Rich. You should know that this is not the proper way to discuss a call. If a coach has a problem with a call he needs to go to the umpire who made the call, not his partner. The PU was out of line by not telling the coach it wasn't his call and that he needed to go discuss the call with the BU first.


Tim.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

NO.

There was a coach driven conference - information was exchenged between the umpires - the call was changed - legit.

I'll be damned if I let a coach drive me to a conference. The PU had no business calling for a conference upon request by the coach. Only the BU should be asking to confer, and then only if he is requesting help. If the BU is so new that he doesn't know to ask for help, and allows the PU to overrule him, he has no business on a baseball diamond yet.

What the heck is a "coach driven conference?"

[DG]

Coach, it's his call and he made a convincing call from what I saw. He had a better look at that play than I did, and I don't have anything to add. I'm not going to go down there and discuss it with him.

Then we have a postgame discussion. Make the call if you are sure. Come to me for help if you are not. This should be a very small percentage of the time, and BEFORE an out call is made. If you made an out call it should be because you are sure.

As a BU I have never asked for help after making an OUT call and the last time I asked for help on a call that was mine to make was on a play at 3B.