Another kicked call by MLB umpire

[canablue05]

I watched the Rogers Sportsnet, Canadian Telecast of the game. Both umpires kicked both of their respective calls. Timing was the issue at second, and I don't know what the issue at the dish with Runge was, he just missed it. However very little argument from John Gibbons or any of the Jays for that matter.

Interesting side note, the color commentator, Pat Tabler, American, not that it matters, made a comment about how there is such a thing as a home park call, and that was his justification for the call Froemming made at second. He also went on to suggest that for the call on the time play at the plate, Runge might have taken into consideration the missed call against the Yankees at second by Froemming. I love commentators. LMAO.

[bossman72]

To take some positive out of this...

any time you've had a bad game, you can look at games like these and say to yourself "see, the pros miss 'em too sometimes."

[3appleshigh]

I was at the game, and both calls were very obvious. I think the play at home was a bit of a revlon call, as the call at second cost the Yankees a run. This wasn't close at all. And Chubby at 2nd base was just plain HORRIBLE Timing. He had his hand up in a fist as the ball was in flight to the base. When the ball dropped, he pointed at the base, gave the out again, and showed a "on the Transfer" mechanic. It was bad.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

I was at the game, and both calls were very obvious. I think the play at home was a bit of a revlon call, as the call at second cost the Yankees a run. This wasn't close at all. And Chubby at 2nd base was just plain HORRIBLE Timing. He had his hand up in a fist as the ball was in flight to the base. When the ball dropped, he pointed at the base, gave the out again, and showed a "on the Transfer" mechanic. It was bad.

Do you really think Major League umpires employ makeup calls? Hell, 99.9% of amateur umpires are above that kind of dishonesty, why would anyone accuse a MLU of something like that?

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Do you really think Major League umpires employ makeup calls? Hell, 99.9% of amateur umpires are above that kind of dishonesty, why would anyone accuse a MLU of something like that?

I agree, Rich.

These umpires are hyper-aware that their calls are being highly scrutinized. They know it is going to be shown on slow motion instant replay and probably appear on ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" segment.

If they know they've blown one call, they certainly are not too interested in blowing another one. They're not stupid enough to think that anyone will view the second miss as "fair."

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

[mj]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

I think the play at home was a bit of a revlon call

What's a revlon call?

[Huskerblue]

It's a call made when the umpire is staring at a compact mirror putting on his Revlon lipstick instead of watching the play on the field. I've never made a Revlon call, but have made a few Avon's.

[JeremyGrey]

That's a creative explanation, Husker, but I think 'Revlon' was simply used in place of the word 'makeup' in this case. That might be obvious to some, but others might have needed a little help.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

I was at the game, and both calls were very obvious. I think the play at home was a bit of a revlon call, as the call at second cost the Yankees a run. This wasn't close at all. And Chubby at 2nd base was just plain HORRIBLE Timing. He had his hand up in a fist as the ball was in flight to the base. When the ball dropped, he pointed at the base, gave the out again, and showed a "on the Transfer" mechanic. It was bad.

Hey 3appleshigh, I don't think Froemming's nickname is Chubby, if i remember right. To us slender-challenged people, calling us names based on our weight is the equivalent to calling black people the "N" word. It isn't very nice, and it hurts people's feelings. I'm sure if I took a look at you, I could find some hateful nickname for you, and you wouldn't appreciate it very much. There is no justification for referring to someone by their physical appearance.

I got called to the carpet for using the term "retarded" in regard to a rule, for cryin' out loud. I was informed by several people on this forum that I was being insensitive toward the mentally handicapped, and that other terms should be used. And I was just referring to a rule, not an actual person.

Froemming didn't blow the call because of his weight, he blew it because of his poor timing. And last I knew, skinny people can have bad timing too.

[3appleshigh]

You actually need to have a clue who is talking and what they look like before commenting on how Slenderly challenged people feel. I'm 6'3" 301lbs. So if you think I'm skinny, I love you. I'm Chubby myself, and have no issue either way. But thanks for your imput.

The dude is Chubby, and I don't know his name, so he is "Chubby", ( in fact refering to him a chubby, might insult the chubby people the dude's rotund), I would expect no less from someone refering to me. Being PC sucks Crap. I will not become so to please you, or the other "retard's" on this forum. Thanks for the revealling story of how a word disrupts your day. Take a lesson from the Fags of the world, take ownership of the word, and you take away it's power. See Ya

Yours Truly

Chubby, Tubby, Fat a$$ ... 3appleshigh

[Thatballzlow]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

You actually need to have a clue who is talking and what they look like before commenting on how Slenderly challenged people feel. I'm 6'3" 301lbs. So if you think I'm skinny, I love you. I'm Chubby myself, and have no issue either way. But thanks for your imput.

The dude is Chubby, and I don't know his name, so he is "Chubby", ( in fact refering to him a chubby, might insult the chubby people the dude's rotund), I would expect no less from someone refering to me. Being PC sucks Crap. I will not become so to please you, or the other "retard's" on this forum. Thanks for the revealling story of how a word disrupts your day. Take a lesson from the Fags of the world, take ownership of the word, and you take away it's power. See Ya

Yours Truly

Chubby, Tubby, Fat a$$ ... 3appleshigh

By Baseball America Staff
April 20, 2006

• Double-A Arkansas shortstop Brandon Wood hit two homers, but was more focused on a foul-tip call in the ninth inning of the Travelers' 8-6 loss to Tulsa on Wednesday.

With a runner on second, Wood struck out to end the game on a pitch that he and Arkansas manager Ty Boykin argued was foul-tipped. Tulsa catcher Chris Ianetta dropped the ball, then tagged Wood and the game was over.

"Yeah, I foul-tipped it," Wood told the Arkansas Democrat Gazette.

Adding to that controversy was Wood's at-bat in the eighth, when Boykin--who was coaching third base--called for time to check if the white lettering on Tulsa reliever Josh Newman's glove was legal. The third-base umpire called time as Newman released the pitch, but the home-plate ump didn't acknowledge it.

The called strike was allowed to stand after the umpires conferred, even though the home plate umpire apparently told Wood otherwise.

"The thing that bothers me, which doesn't make any sense, the guy behind the plate tells Wood, 'That doesn't count.' Then he goes back up there and he goes, '0-1,' " Boykin told the paper.

"I'm not bashing anybody. If you make a mistake, you make a mistake and it's going to happen. But I just can't deal with calls that are made that there's no rational reason behind it."

Lost in all the debate was the performance of Tulsa first baseman Joe Koshansky, who went 4-for-4 with two homers and a pair of doubles. Koshansky, a sixth-round pick out of Virginia in 2004, is 8-for-17 (.470) in the series.

The two teams meet again tonight as the Drillers have a chance to sweep the five-game series.

• In other random replacement umpire complaints, the Colorado Springs Gazette ran a story today with some scathing comments from players:

"We're only two weeks in and you can see how frustrating it's getting already. The players' jobs are on the line, and we're dealing with some umpires who have trouble at this level."--Triple-A Tucson lefthander Randy Choate.

"We hold the players to a high standard. We have to hold the umpires to a high standard, too. Some of these calls they're missing are just obvious."--Triple-A Colorado Springs manager Tom Runnels.

"The integrity of the game is being compromised, all so minor league baseball can squeeze some nickels and dimes out of the umpires. Minor league baseball ought to be ashamed at the product they're putting on the field. If there are good-faith negotiations going on, I don't need to be commenting in the press because it wouldn't be productive. But I understand there are no negotiations, and that's not fair to us."--Tucson righthander Kevin Jarvis.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Thatballzlow

By Baseball America Staff
April 20, 2006

• Double-A Arkansas shortstop Brandon Wood hit two homers, but was more focused on a foul-tip call in the ninth inning of the Travelers' 8-6 loss to Tulsa on Wednesday.

Someone already posted this article in an area where it has relevance.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by 3appleshigh

You actually need to have a clue who is talking and what they look like before commenting on how Slenderly challenged people feel. I'm 6'3" 301lbs. So if you think I'm skinny, I love you. I'm Chubby myself, and have no issue either way. But thanks for your imput.

The dude is Chubby, and I don't know his name, so he is "Chubby", ( in fact refering to him a chubby, might insult the chubby people the dude's rotund), I would expect no less from someone refering to me. Being PC sucks Crap. I will not become so to please you, or the other "retard's" on this forum. Thanks for the revealling story of how a word disrupts your day. Take a lesson from the Fags of the world, take ownership of the word, and you take away it's power. See Ya

Yours Truly

Chubby, Tubby, Fat a$$ ... 3appleshigh

HEY FAT A$$ :

6'3" and 301 sounds like sturdy, not fat.

How did you not know his name, since I named him several times in the opening post of the thread? You know damn well who Bruce Froemming is, so that "I didn't know his name" crap doesn't cut it.

It is usually skinny guys with no clue of the difficulty big folks have in losing weight that poke fun at them. You are apparently an exception to the rule. It seems that politically correct (which I hate too) covers every other person in the world except for the fat ones. You cannot get away with racist comments or name-callings which were once commonplace. If you make fun of gays, you are labeled a homophobe. And, if you say that a rule is "retarded," certain people on this forum get up in arms over it. Fat people are the last frontier. Always open season on ol' Tubby over there. They are the only people that it is still fashionable to make fun of. I just think that huge folks should be given the same courtesy as Blacks, Jews, Gays, and any other group which is protected by the PC crowd.

[BamaBlue]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

To us slender-challenged people, calling us names based on our weight is the equivalent to calling black people the "N" word. It isn't very nice, and it hurts people's feelings.

If it hurts your feelings, lose weight. I know it's easier said than done, but I know it's doable because I lost over 50lbs myself in 2003. If you want to be taken seriously as an official, you have to look the part. Unfortunately, that means being in shape and being clean shaven (I know that's a whole other thread), but it's true.

Sure, you can call LL ball as a fatty and nobody's going to care, but if you seriously want to advance, you're going to have to lose the weight. Even the MLB officials that are overweight are critiqued more harshly by the players and coaches.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by BamaBlue

If it hurts your feelings, lose weight. I know it's easier said than done, but I know it's doable because I lost over 50lbs myself in 2003. If you want to be taken seriously as an official, you have to look the part. Unfortunately, that means being in shape and being clean shaven (I know that's a whole other thread), but it's true.

Sure, you can call LL ball as a fatty and nobody's going to care, but if you seriously want to advance, you're going to have to lose the weight. Even the MLB officials that are overweight are critiqued more harshly by the players and coaches.

Why should anyone have to conform to someone elses standards on their physique or face ridicule? The bottom line should be their ability to officiate the game, not their physical stature. I also take offense to your LL comment. I work with some of the most dedicated and professional umpires in our area in LL. Fact is, most of them outshine the members of the HS association I belong to. Some of us work both HS and LL, while others who are just as capable choose not to work HS for personal reasons.


Tim.