Scab Umpires

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Mark,

It is incredible that a smart guy like you cannot understand that you lose so many listeners when you insult and call names. A lot of people will not listen to you, even if you are right. It seems like union rhetoric is not meant to persuade.

Instead, why don't you try a reasoned and respectful argument? Some of the guys who have worked Minor League games may see your point and refuse to do any more. Some guys who are undecided may be swayed in your direction.

Joe

Joe:

Who did I insult? Who did a call a name? I thought using professional and ethical conduct as a reason for not crossing a picket line good and logical reasons for my position.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Joe:

Who did I insult? Who did a call a name? I thought using professional and ethical conduct as a reason for not crossing a picket line good and logical reasons for my position.

MTD, Sr.

You used the term “scab” in the title of this thread. That is too much for guys like Joe to handle.

Peace

[PWL]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Joe:

Who did I insult? Who did a call a name? I thought using professional and ethical conduct as a reason for not crossing a picket line good and logical reasons for my position.

MTD, Sr.

Mark,

Don't worry about this fool. That's right Joe, I called you a name. I'm glad you live in an Utopia when everything in life is fair and just. People that cross picket lines to work are just that, low life, bottom feeder, scumbag, SCABS. You can slice it and dice anyway you want, but when you put the puzzle back together again you get the same picture.

Why do you think the AMLU went on strike, JoJo? Because the powers that be at PBUC care about their employees. Not hardly. Just because you don't understand the union mindset and the brotherhood. I should know, because I spent my entire working career dealing with labor/management issues. I have yet to see management ever come to a bargaining table even remotely to bargain in good faith. Nine out of ten times, their original proposals include cuts in benefits and cost of living raises, etc.

So, if a little name calling is too harsh for you I suggest you not read anymore of these quips from posters with strong opinions. You seem to be so easily offended.

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[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by PWL

Mark,

Don't worry about this fool. That's right Joe, I called you a name. I'm glad you live in an Utopia when everything in life is fair and just. People that cross picket lines to work are just that, low life, bottom feeder, scumbag, SCABS. You can slice it and dice anyway you want, but when you put the puzzle back together again you get the same picture.

Why do you think the AMLU went on strike, JoJo? Because the powers that be at PBUC care about their employees. Not hardly. Just because you don't understand the union mindset and the brotherhood. I should know, because I spent my entire working career dealing with labor/management issues. I have yet to see management ever come to a bargaining table even remotely to bargain in good faith. Nine out of ten times, their original proposals include cuts in benefits and cost of living raises, etc.

So, if a little name calling is too harsh for you I suggest you not read anymore of these quips from posters with strong opinions. You seem to be so easily offended.

If they wanted to replace the striking umpires they should have put this ad in the paper.

PWL,

The union movement's inability and/or unwillingness to communicate with civility and thoughtfulness is why their cause loses more often than it used to. Just look back at your post.

You refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that intelligent and respectful arguments will work far better than the type of talk that you are engaged in.

You have very little chance of persuading undecided umpires and even less chance of changing the minds of some that have already worked in the Minor Leagues this year. One would think that getting support for your cause would be your goal. Clearly, this is not the case.

I hope you enjoy the continuing deterioration of the Union movement in the USA-your method of communication is a large part of why you have less public support as each day goes by.

Joe

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

You refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that intelligent and respectful arguments will work far better than the type of talk that you are engaged in.

I am very willing to turn the page on this issue and with you personally. I just think that you are absolutely nuts if you think people are going to use language that only fits your personal expectations. This issue is bigger than one word and has emotional elements to it. I have personally talked directly to a few minor league umpires and I have worked other sports with them. The term they use is "scab." One of my parents in a union and has been for years and feels similar to union issues as these umpires do. I know many officials that belong to contractor unions and teacher's union and they feel similar to what these umpires are going through. Sorry if you do not want emotion or certain language into this discussion, it is not going to happen.

Peace

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Joe:

Who did I insult? Who did a call a name? I thought using professional and ethical conduct as a reason for not crossing a picket line good and logical reasons for my position.

MTD, Sr.

Mark,

It's no use trying to change their mind, because no matter what you say they aren’t going to budge.

This debate began when some inflammatory posts (None by AMLU members to my knowledge) were made in support of the strike. Yes, the umpires crossing the picket line are ‘Scabs’ by most accepted definitions. The content of some of the posts are unsupportable and simply do not in any way track with what AMLU is trying to do (Educate and inform).

I can say that there HAVE been both derogatory and supportive comments made by club staff. While these have not been posted publicly or in news articles, they HAVE been made.