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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 01:10pm
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Originally Posted by David Emerling
On some matters - yes, I do care.

For instance, I want them to think I'm a good umpire.

If you want the coaches to think you're a good umpire, then you, too, care what they think. True?
Of course it would be nice if they feel I am a good umpire, but it is not one rule that is going to make them feel that way. If they feel I am a good umpire, I can persuade them to do what I suggest. That is not going to be affected by what others do.

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I'll agree that when a coach says, "no one else enforces that," that he is frequently just being manipulative and it oftentimes isn't even true.

But, in this case, it would be absolutely true!
Well that is his problem.

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Did you see the umpire in the videoclip? That gentleman is a typical Memphis-area umpire. And the players you are observing are members of the region's most respected baseball program with an outstanding staff of competent coaches.

It's not about what ONE coach thinks ... it's about what they ALL think.
Does the umpire in the video not have a mask on? You are telling me he cannot quietly tell the batter to stay in the box? You do not have to make a Federal case over it. Just tell the kid to stay in the box and I bet they kid will stay in the box. Baseball is the one sport we can hide behind something and make a point and no one knows we even said anything. For God sake man, just tell the kid to stay in the box and I bet no one will say anything. The coach might not even know you made such a request.

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Believe me, if you grated on the nerves of EVERY coach in the area, you can stand on a righteous podium all you want and point to the page and paragraph in the book ... it won't do you an ounce of good. Your umpire career will be stagnant. If that's not important to you, then fine. You can be a crusading trailblazer with a righteous cause - and perhaps change the world.

Fair? Probably not.

Just a harsh fact.

David Emerling
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I did not say call a strike on the kid for the first or second minor offense. I said tell them to stay in the box. Once again it is your game and your time that you are wasting. If you want to sit there for another 30 minutes because kids think they are Major Leaguers that is you problem. I am going to tell them (with my mask on) to stay in the box and most of the time no one even knows I made such a request.

Also, the NF put out a POE stating that we are not to ignore rules we do not like and enforce only the rules we do. In my state these issues are supported by our state and evaluators.

My last playoff game last year my game took 1 hour and 13 minutes. It took that long largely because both teams had seen me many times during the year and over other seasons I knew what I was about. I did not have to worry about kids going to the back stop after every pitch and I did not have to worry about how many warm-up pitches are taken between innings or just about anything I requested to be done. When I enter a field I enter with a purpose. I am not there to be friends or to chat. I do everything I need to do and when I need to talk to a coach I talk to the coach at those appropriate times. If an umpire cannot get these little things done without a major fight, I wonder what those umpires are doing in other aspect of their games.

Most of all the last thing I care about is what some coach that will not be around in a year thinks of me.

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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 01:15pm
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David,

I don't need anyone to validate my worth as an umpire. If you umpire to appeal to the participants, you are never going to succeed, because half of them are going to hate your every call.

If you want anyone to think your a good umpire, do a good job.

Many of the people you are concerned about impressing don't have a clue about the way an umpire does his job. They only care about how it affects them.

Be fair, firm, knowledgable, and call 'em as you see 'em !!!!



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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 01:45pm
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If you umpire to appeal to the participants, you are never going to succeed, because half of them are going to hate your every call.

We should probably start a new thread because the responses have gone "off topic" on Davids original post (Rebuttal)

Your above statement IMO is totally invalid and you need look no further than MLB.

Some time ago, Major league Umpires were instructed to be more stringent in calling balks. I cannot remember the exact time period, but in 1/2 of that season alone, more balks were called then in all of the previous season.

Guess what!

The Players Union got involved and basically said I will paraphrase "You will go back to the way things were if you want to umpire here" Therefore, in the second half of the season things were back to normal.

The best advice that I received from not only my mentor but other knowledgeable umpires is that the game is NOT about us IT IS about the participants. You do not have to kiss their you know what, but if they want the game called a certain way and you want work in that League you will abide.

I will give a couple of examples without making this response too lengthly.

I was working this one particular league who had a "house rule" that superceded the rule book. DBT was only about 3-4 feet on either side of first / third base, meaning just about any over-throw would go into DBT. Therefore, on this one particular field, the award was one base from a throw anywhere.

The strike zone issue. After I "paid my dues" doing Modified/Freshman/JV HS ball I got to do my first CBL (Collegiate Wood bat League) game behind the dish. I was terrible in my first game from the standpoint of calling balls/strikes.

It wasn't that I was inconsistent but because I was NOT calling the zone the way they were accustomed to it being called. After calling out a batter on strike three, the comment was "Hey Blue this isn't JV anymore" I had my mentor watch me a couple of games, received constructive criticism and starting calling the zone that they wanted me to call. That doesn't mean a "postage" or not calling out a batter on strike three, but calling it the way they felt comfortable.

I could go on and on, but the point is The game is ABOUT the PARTICIPENTS and not US.

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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 01:48pm
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Just like Rut, I never gave two hoots what a coach thought of me. Unfortunately, here in S.D., the coaches choose who works the semis and finals, so if you don't make their list, you don't work the big games. I have made a few, but not as many as the booty kissers.
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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 01:54pm
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David,

I don't need anyone to validate my worth as an umpire. If you umpire to appeal to the participants, you are never going to succeed, because half of them are going to hate your every call.

If you want anyone to think your a good umpire, do a good job.

Many of the people you are concerned about impressing don't have a clue about the way an umpire does his job. They only care about how it affects them.

Be fair, firm, knowledgable, and call 'em as you see 'em !!!!

Doug
This isn't about trying to please an individual coach.

This isn't about being afraid to make a particular call because you (as the umpire) is concerned that some coach, player, or fan may not like it.

In a microcosm, I think you (and Rut) are absolutely correct with this philosophy. It's a sound one.

I'm painting this with a much broader brush, however. This isn't about the isolated issues that you keep focusing on. This is more of a cultural thing that transcends what happens in one game, with one coach, in one instance.

This has been going on for so long in this area that the genie is already out of the bottle. There's no fixing this other than by a unanimous consensus by the members of the umpire's association. And there is no will to do that - I can assure you. I'd be a salmon swimming upstream ... and to what end?

It has worked both ways. The players and coaches have been conditioned not to be too concerned about keeping one foot in the batter's box. And, conversely, the umpires have been conditioned to be equally unconcerned. The games move along fine and nobody seems to care. The coaches don't care, the umpires don't care, and the fans don't care.

I don't need to hear this righteous stuff about how the FED has mandated that umpires not choose to ignore rules that are not of their liking. I'm aware of this.

Yet, I can guarantee you I could come up with a list of situations, that would require you to rule in a particular way (in accordance with FED rules), that you would never do. That goes for Rut, too.

Rut says that he would just tell the delaying batter to get back in the box. Fine! But is that what the rule says to do? No! It says that the umpire shall call a strike.

So which is worse, ignoring the rule that the batter keep one foot in the box, or ignore the PENALTY for the rule?

Even casebook play 7.3.1A has the umpire giving the batter verbal warnings about being out of the box. I.E. "10 seconds" ... "5 seconds". Apparently, the batter can delay out of the box.

Substantively, what's the difference between saying "nothing" to a batter who is out of the box (for less than 20-seconds) or badgering him with a countdown as if a Saturn V rocket is going to be launched?

It's just an opinion of mine. I happen to believe it's needless badgering on an relatively unimportant matter.

If you examine all the casebook plays that have to do with this rule, it is somewhat inconsistent and it appears that there is room for the umpire not to call the penalty if he feels there was no delay. That being the case, why even bother mentioning it to the batter unless there is a delay?

Remember, I *do* tell the batter, "Let's go!" when I determine he is wasting time. But, as the videoclips convincingly indicate, most of the time the batter is NOT delaying the game by being out of the batter's box. I don't see how you can look at those videoclips and draw any other conclusion.

If it works for you ... and you are convinced it speeds the game up ... fine. I can't fault you for that.

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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 02:00pm
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I could go on and on, but the point is The game is ABOUT the PARTICIPENTS and not US.
Which is exactly why the umpires in this area do not strictly enforce this rule. Apparently, that's the way the participants prefer it.

Although, this may be a "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" type of thing.

I don't know if the participants behave in this way because of the umpires -or- the umpires don't enforce the rule because of the participants. Either way, it's been going on for so long nobody cares WHY ... it just IS.

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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 02:01pm
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What is wrong with gray ball bags?

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What is wrong with Byron collared basketball shirts?
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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 02:32pm
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What is wrong with Byron collared basketball shirts?
I know what you are getting at, but I do not think that is the same issue. Both umpires are not wearing ball bags on the field. The retailers do not even sell Byron collared basketball shirts anymore. One has become completely passé and the other is sold and recommend. Apples and oranges if you ask me.

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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 02:53pm
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I know what you are getting at, but I do not think that is the same issue. Both umpires are not wearing ball bags on the field. The retailers do not even sell Byron collared basketball shirts anymore. One has become completely passé and the other is sold and recommend. Apples and oranges if you ask me.

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I don't disagree. But here I am with a baseball game on Thursday and I'm missing basketball season.

You can always get a Byron collar shirt -- buy a football shirt and cut off the pocket
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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 03:02pm
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I don't disagree. But here I am with a baseball game on Thursday and I'm missing basketball season.

You can always get a Byron collar shirt -- buy a football shirt and cut off the pocket
If you go to a website and you have to buy a shirt from a sport that you will not use it for, then you should not be using it.

I miss the basketball season as well. Now I cannot wait until the camp season.

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Old Tue Mar 28, 2006, 07:49pm
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What is wrong with Byron collared basketball shirts?
Well, for one thing, I don't get a cut.
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