Where's Peter?

[RPatrino]

"I don't understand how one can enforce one of these but not the other. If an umpire enforces either of these rules, things may go down the drain quickly. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to that? "

Didn't you just answer your own question?

[LDUB]

Originally posted by RPatrino
"I don't understand how one can enforce one of these but not the other. If an umpire enforces either of these rules, things may go down the drain quickly. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to that? "

Didn't you just answer your own question?

I don't think I did.


Carl:

I think your scenario 2 is different than what happened in Roper's game. In yours, the defense is trying to game you to gain an advantage. You can't let them do that.

In Roper's, the PU was doing this as a FYC. It was a men's league game, F5 was fooling around and threw only one pitch doing an imitation someone, then the real F1 came out. Think disadvantage/advantage. It didn't hurt anyone. If you feel like it, take one pitch off of the real F1's warmup.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Carl Childress

Carl, your attempt to discredit my rules knowledge aside, read the OBR citation again, this time slowly. This time, please read with comprehension, OK? Absent the MLBUM citation, you could easily interpret this citation in the same manner as the FED rule is written.

You are being inconsistent with your advancing age, Carl. If you are going to let a pitcher step off incorrectly during a live ball without calling a balk and at the same time force a kid goofing off to pitch when THERE'S A DEAD BALL, I may as well disappear from this thread right now, because you're just trying to make me look bad -- and not actually trying to make a point.

If and when I make a mistake, I'll let you and everyone else know. My name isn't Carl Childress, the infallible.

--Rich (read the signature again, Carl)

Your childish signature (fork you, carl) aside, you belong in the same boat as LDUB. Read the words, didn't hear the....

Did you read Evans? He clearly says the exception applies to fielders. Not pitchers.

Not satisified? Black letter law says:

If no announcement of a substitution is made, the substitute shall be considered as having entered the game when -
(1) If a pitcher, he takes his place on the pitcher's plate;
(2) If a batter, he takes his place in the batter's box;
(3) If a fielder, he reaches the position usually occupied by the fielder he has replaced, and play commences.

I don't care how much you wiggle - or dissemble - the fact is you're just wrong.

Now, Richie: Go back and read my posts. Then quote where I said that Carl Childress would make the "fielder" pitch. All I said (the point I'm trying to make, which you've missed twice) is that everyone picks and chooses. I gained a reputation when Durwood agreed in a public meeting that I was right about not calling that particular, technical balk.

I don't mind your ignoring the substitute rule. I minded that you tried to defend it with the "law" instead of just your "feelings."

I'd hate to be a coach in any League you worked for. With your attitude and jump-the-gun responses, I wouldn't last three minutes into the pregame conference.

PFRF. [/QUOTE]

Whatever that means. Regardless, I could still read Evans and come to the same conclusion -- he can't take his position on the plate for a warmup pitch in my world.

There may be a reason for this picky of an interpretation and if F5 took FOUR pitches, well, I'd likely think differently or shorten the warmup for the F1. But that's not what EVER happens -- F5 takes one pitch for sh1ts and giggles and then the defensive rat comes out of the dugout smelling cheese. It's that nonsense I won't even entertain. I wouldn't even acknowledge seeing that "pitch" being made.

Of course, we all selectively ignore things. Because I disagree with your balk scenario doesn't make me a letter-of-the-law guy -- it just means I honestly think that this has to be called a balk because that step is the start of the pitch and if I was the opposing coach, I'd send the runner on that step back with the wrong foot EVERY TIME.

We can disagree on one without issuing blanket statements.

On another note, if anyone here is from the part of the US that used to be the New Orleans metro area, my heartfelt sorrow goes out to you. I lived in Slidell for about a year and seeing the area destroyed and partially/mostly underwater wasn't an easy thing to see -- and I haven't lived there for 7 years.

[Rich]

Originally posted by LDUB

I don't think I did.


Carl:

I think your scenario 2 is different than what happened in Roper's game. In yours, the defense is trying to game you to gain an advantage. You can't let them do that.

In Roper's, the PU was doing this as a FYC. It was a men's league game, F5 was fooling around and threw only one pitch doing an imitation someone, then the real F1 came out. Think disadvantage/advantage. It didn't hurt anyone. If you feel like it, take one pitch off of the real F1's warmup.

Exactly. And a good FYC is subtle, yet clearly gets the message across. Roper's umpire just looks like an a$$hole.

[Carl Childress]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

Exactly. And a good FYC is subtle, yet clearly gets the message across. Roper's umpire just looks like an a$$hole.

Sorry, but Jeff doesn't look like the a$$holea in this scenario.

Imagine if your attitude was symptomatic of the way Big Dogs treat rookies.

[Nasty remark deleted]

[Edited by Carl Childress on Aug 31st, 2005 at 07:30 PM]

[Rich]

Originally posted by Carl Childress

Sorry, but Jeff doesn't look like the a$$holea in this scenario.

Imagine if your attitude was symptomatic of the way Big Dogs treat rookies.

[Nasty remark deleted]

[Edited by Carl Childress on Aug 31st, 2005 at 07:30 PM]

Re-read the article.

It sounded like the umpire showed them who was boss. With glee.

It's un-necessary and it's silly and it puts the umpire in a position to dramatically affect the game. And any FYC shouldn't do that although I haven't really bothered with an FYC in quite some time.

I missed the nasty remark. But thanks for letting me know that you put one in instead of deleting it altogether.

[David B]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
[B
On another note, if anyone here is from the part of the US that used to be the New Orleans metro area, my heartfelt sorrow goes out to you. I lived in Slidell for about a year and seeing the area destroyed and partially/mostly underwater wasn't an easy thing to see -- and I haven't lived there for 7 years. [/B]

We're about an hour north of Slidell and I know New Orleans is getting most of the press, but Missisippi Coast is simply no more.

My family stayed at the Holiday Inn last month that now has a casino sitting on top of it ... simply amazing.

And if you continue on up north of there, you see what the wind can do - whereas New Orleans, Slidell and the coast shows what the water can do.

I would imagine that at least half of the trees in our state have been uprooted, are leaning over, or have been snapped off - you probably could not imagine the depth of the disaster.

They are saying we might be three weeks with out power and I heard tonight on the radio, that ice and water are scarce and then gasoline is becoming even more scarce. Since the power outage is nearly 80 % of the state none of the gas companies can pump gas to the trucks etc.,


I know Red Cross and FEMA probably are doing great things, but none of its made its way to our towns yet. I heard tonight on the radio that people waited in line for three hours for ice today and the trucks never showed up. Sad and its 96 degress today.

The bad things is that you can't communicate, no phones (some coming on today), no TV (because of power), only a couple of radio stations in our part of the state that work, really grates on your patience.

Our phones came on tonight so I'm quickly checking messages etc., in case they go down again.

Anyway, we would appreciate your thoughts and prayers

Thanks
David