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Originally posted by Carl Childress
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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It's easy for me to take the FED citation and apply it in an OBR game. I can always say that "taking his place on the pitcher's plate" can't possibly happen until I make the ball live.
Why would an umpire want to stick it up a team's backside in this manner? Furthermore, if the guy who took a warmup pitch isn't a pitcher, why would I want to have him throw pitches at me?
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Your attitude here is symptomatic of one problem we have in amateur baseball, i.e., selective enforcement of rules.
You won't force a kid to become the pitcher because it's, as you colorfully put it, sticking up their backsides.
R3. Pitcher in the wind-up. His coach yells, "Curly, pitch from the stretch." So Curly slowly and deliberately steps off the rubber with the wrong foot. I argued in an article that since everybody knew the pitcher was simply changing positions, the umpire should not call a balk.
A gentleman named, uh, you, followed me around telling me how stupid that was. "That's a balk, and that's all there is to it."
Well, that guy is now the pitcher, and that's all there is to it.
Oh, the first baseman-now-pitcher isn't going to be throwing "pitches at you" unless you grab a mitt and squat behind the plate.
Here's what I think happened. You didn't know the rule, you despise Rich Ives (whom you've never met) because he's a coach (rat), so you chided him for having to quote the MLBUM. Now, after I pointed out the rule in the OBR and FED books, you're stuck having to defend the indefensible.
When that happens to me, I just say: "Hey, I screwed up." I say that on the internet, I say that on the ball field. Much less often on the ball field. (grin)
On the other hand, if you truly would not require the guy to pitch, in spite of the screams of the other mkanager, would it be fair for me to ask for a list of other rules you have no intention of "sticking up their backsides"?
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Carl, your attempt to discredit my rules knowledge aside, read the OBR citation again, this time slowly. This time, please read with comprehension, OK? Absent the MLBUM citation, you could easily interpret this citation in the same manner as the FED rule is written.
You are being inconsistent with your advancing age, Carl. If you are going to let a pitcher step off incorrectly during a live ball without calling a balk and at the same time force a kid goofing off to pitch when THERE'S A DEAD BALL, I may as well disappear from this thread right now, because you're just trying to make me look bad -- and not actually trying to make a point.
If and when I make a mistake, I'll let you and everyone else know. My name isn't Carl Childress, the infallible.
--Rich (read the signature again, Carl)
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Your childish signature (fork you, carl) aside, you belong in the same boat as LDUB. Read the words, didn't hear the....
Did you read Evans? He clearly says the exception applies to fielders. Not pitchers.
Not satisified? Black letter law says:
If no announcement of a substitution is made, the substitute shall be considered as having entered the game when -
(1) If a pitcher, he takes his place on the pitcher's plate;
(2) If a batter, he takes his place in the batter's box;
(3) If a fielder, he reaches the position usually occupied by the fielder he has replaced, and play commences.
I don't care how much you wiggle - or dissemble - the fact is you're just wrong.
Now, Richie: Go back and read my posts. Then quote where I said that Carl Childress would make the "fielder" pitch. All I said (the point I'm trying to make, which you've missed twice) is that everyone picks and chooses. I gained a reputation when Durwood agreed in a public meeting that I was right about not calling that particular, technical balk.
I don't mind your ignoring the substitute rule. I minded that you tried to defend it with the "law" instead of just your "feelings."
I'd hate to be a coach in any League you worked for. With your attitude and jump-the-gun responses, I wouldn't last three minutes into the pregame conference.
PFRF. [/QUOTE]
Whatever that means. Regardless, I could still read Evans and come to the same conclusion -- he can't take his position on the plate for a warmup pitch in my world.
There may be a reason for this picky of an interpretation and if F5 took FOUR pitches, well, I'd likely think differently or shorten the warmup for the F1. But that's not what EVER happens -- F5 takes one pitch for sh1ts and giggles and then the defensive rat comes out of the dugout smelling cheese. It's that nonsense I won't even entertain. I wouldn't even acknowledge seeing that "pitch" being made.
Of course, we all selectively ignore things. Because I disagree with your balk scenario doesn't make me a letter-of-the-law guy -- it just means I honestly think that this has to be called a balk because that step is the start of the pitch and if I was the opposing coach, I'd send the runner on that step back with the wrong foot EVERY TIME.
We can disagree on one without issuing blanket statements.
On another note, if anyone here is from the part of the US that used to be the New Orleans metro area, my heartfelt sorrow goes out to you. I lived in Slidell for about a year and seeing the area destroyed and partially/mostly underwater wasn't an easy thing to see -- and I haven't lived there for 7 years.
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