You can't talk to the batter!

[cowbyfan1]

I think Dude really needs to go to pro school. Maybe then he will 1. get a clue to what a good umpire is and 2. an idea of how to be a man instead of an angry foul mouth punk.

You put out the invite to be ripped on with your original post then you subvert into childish name calling when you were. Tee's post was simple in him saying you got what you deserved. Ok it is obvious that you missed his point. Most of the rest of us did because we have been there and gotten what we deserved. Did it even stir some brain activity that he is probably like most of us in that we feel giving you advise is about the same as smashing our own faces into a wall? People give you good advise and you crap on them with your childish tirades.

By the way posts about being able to whip other people's a$$es and that the old men would have a heart attack, mighty brave, mighty respectable, mighty mature especially hiding behind your keyboard. What's next? My daddy can beat up your daddy?

And this is in responce to what people said in Tee's class thread.

Jim Hooko
Tulsa, OK

come see me! We'll call a game.

[ozzy6900]

Originally posted by BigUmp56
U of I,

I don't think it's fair to expect anyone to not try and defend theselves when they are the first one that has incurred a personal assault by a member of this board.

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you on this.

I have seen dudeinblue called an idiot, a pu$$y, an a$$hole, and a moron amongst other things. I wonder if the individuals that initiate the name calling with him in this forum would actually speak to him, or anyone else for that matter, in the same way face to face.

I doubt it!

Where I come from those are fighting words.

Maybe you haven't read much from this guy. He is one of those who doesn't want to hear the truth. Good people tried to help him in the past and all he can do is call them smarta$$es and continue to whine. He wants us to all tell him that he is right and that's about it.

Mark my words, where I come from, I would be saying the same thing to his face - nose to nose!

Do you really think some of these guys give a post game critique using this language? If they did pull that kind of garbage in person, they would have a fight on their hands I'm sure. Some might say buck up and take it like a man.
I'd say if you turn the other cheek, expect to get hit harder!

Tim.

You should hear some of our post games - they get quite comical and personal! But we are all big boys and we take it in stride. I may say to my partner "What a pu$$y you were to that coach" and he may say "So what! that call at 2nd base was the worst I've seen.". We would then have a good laugh and get a bite to eat. The people that I deal with are hardened thick heads with tough skins. You can't be a sissy in this area and expect to keep umpiring.

But seriously, we have tried to help this person but he doesn't want to hear it. Even during my rant, I gave him advise and he didn't even note it. I'm done with this person, BigUmp56.

[tjones1]

This is getting really old. Like most people on here, I come here to learn and have a little fun once in a while. However, the forum is turning into Eddie Murphy stand up - not good.

Two seasons ago I worked a JV basketball game, whenever the game was over a very well respected official was in our locker room chatting with us. He ended by saying: "now, these are just a few things that will help you become a better official, if you don't agree, whenever I walk out the of room, you can simply say f**k that old man and I will have no problem with it."

I have certainly learned a lot from this forum. There have been a lot of things I agreed with and some that I haven't agreed with. Either way, I always try and thank whoever offered their opinion. If I liked their advice, I remember it for future reference. If I didn't agree with their advice, I simply disregard it. Just because I don't agree with their advice or opinion doesn't grant me the right to call them "homos" or anything else.

Like evaluators, most people on here you have never met. Evaluators are going to offer strong analysis and opinions about your game – much like people on here. I certainly would hope that you wouldn’t tell an evaluator they were a smarta**, homo, or any other vulgar comments that you have directed towards some of the other posters just because you didn’t agree.

Just my opinion, I could be looking at this entirely at the wrong angle.

Edit: I'm also done with this thread.

[Edited by tjones1 on Jul 29th, 2005 at 05:11 PM]

[mcrowder]

Dude - first I want to ignore the banter between post one and the rest of the posts to this point, and actually answer your question.

You ask us how you could have handled this better.

1 - I would not have said a word to the batter... but I wasn't there. If you absolutely HAD to prove to this 12 year old that you were the bigger man, at least confine your comments to facts, and not advice. "Swing the bat" is DEFINITELY coaching, and you've given the coach every reason to tell you to do YOUR job and let him do HIS. Perhaps "Those are strikes, son," would be better... or if the eye-rolling is what you wanted to stop, perhaps just, "Most umpires would toss you for that eye-rolling. You might want to not do that anymore."

2 - the coach. If this was the manager, you gave him too much leeway. This being the @$$istant coach, you gave him way way way way way too much leeway. An @$$istant coach deserves, AT BEST (and only when being ENTIRELY civil) a very short explanation of a situation, and then "Coach, we're done - if your team really needs to discuss this more, it needs to come from your manager." In this case (where he was NOT being civil), he should have been gone much much much earlier. Change him to the manager, and he gets tossed at the finger pointing.

On the other hand, you DID screw up by coaching the kid, and that was the coach's beef. So, if this was the manager, he might deserve a "Coach - you're right. I won't coach your kids. Now lets play ball." (again... only if he came out very civilly).

Now - on to the banter. Honestly, you need to back it down about 5 notches. You came here SPECIFICALLY asking for other umpires' input on your actions, and then proceed to blast every single person (with maybe 2 exceptions throughout the entire thread) who gave you input on your actions.

So, knowing your attitude from previous posts, can you at least maybe see why you get blistered so much when you post idiotic comments, or why you got called on the carpet for the lies (which were obvious based solely on YOUR OWN posts).

Show some deference to your superiors (includes ALMOST everyone here - maybe not dumbdrum) and you'll find you will learn a lot more and might actually BE one of those superiors in 5 years or so.

[dudeinblue]

Originally posted by mcrowder
Dude - first I want to ignore the banter between post one and the rest of the posts to this point, and actually answer your question.

You ask us how you could have handled this better.

1 - I would not have said a word to the batter... but I wasn't there. If you absolutely HAD to prove to this 12 year old that you were the bigger man, at least confine your comments to facts, and not advice. "Swing the bat" is DEFINITELY coaching, and you've given the coach every reason to tell you to do YOUR job and let him do HIS. Perhaps "Those are strikes, son," would be better... or if the eye-rolling is what you wanted to stop, perhaps just, "Most umpires would toss you for that eye-rolling. You might want to not do that anymore."

2 - the coach. If this was the manager, you gave him too much leeway. This being the @$$istant coach, you gave him way way way way way too much leeway. An @$$istant coach deserves, AT BEST (and only when being ENTIRELY civil) a very short explanation of a situation, and then "Coach, we're done - if your team really needs to discuss this more, it needs to come from your manager." In this case (where he was NOT being civil), he should have been gone much much much earlier. Change him to the manager, and he gets tossed at the finger pointing.

On the other hand, you DID screw up by coaching the kid, and that was the coach's beef. So, if this was the manager, he might deserve a "Coach - you're right. I won't coach your kids. Now lets play ball." (again... only if he came out very civilly).

Now - on to the banter. Honestly, you need to back it down about 5 notches. You came here SPECIFICALLY asking for other umpires' input on your actions, and then proceed to blast every single person (with maybe 2 exceptions throughout the entire thread) who gave you input on your actions.

So, knowing your attitude from previous posts, can you at least maybe see why you get blistered so much when you post idiotic comments, or why you got called on the carpet for the lies (which were obvious based solely on YOUR OWN posts).

Show some deference to your superiors (includes ALMOST everyone here - maybe not dumbdrum) and you'll find you will learn a lot more and might actually BE one of those superiors in 5 years or so.

Will do Crowder. Thank you for the advice.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by GarthB
If any administrator of this forum had a pair, they'd eject this moron now.

Geez -- I take one day off, and look at what happens.

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