Player Ejection Volume II

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
It's funny, you chastised me for name calling when I said that your name was appropriate to you officiating philosophy. Yet, I've read nothing but venom from you lately. You may dress it up in flowery parlance, but mastering our language does not mask the sentiment.

I must have stuck a cord with you. I do not recall that I have mentioned anyone specifically.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
You seem to have difficulty with anyone who is a more accomplished official than you. "Big Dogs"...does that refer to anyone at a level above you?

I can only speak for me; I have no problem with anyone accomplishing anything. There is always someone out there better than you or more accomplished than you are. If I have learned anything from all my sports that is one thing I have noticed. Even at the major levels, there are officials that have reached higher levels than many working on regular staffs. Again Windy, you do not know me really at all. So please be very careful what you think you know about me and what you want to perceive. But if you call yourself a "Big Dog,” I have to ask you why? What makes you better than everyone else out there? Were you not at some point in your career at the bottom? Were you never on the field and did not know things? If you consider yourself better than everyone else around you, I think that says something about what lack of confidence you have in your own ability.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
If I'm not mistaken, when I back up my opinions with on field examples or talk about my training, you asked why I feel compelled to post my resumé at every turn. Sorry, but when I support a claim with real world experience, I don't go back to my LL days.

There is a way to do it and there is a way not to do it. I have talked about many games and levels without trying to belittle people for it (I have learned this the hard way myself). I was once accused of giving my schedule or talking about my levels. But I always try to make it clear that I have been fortunate and got help from others in the process. Everything I have accomplished in officiating was because someone pulled me up and gave me a chance. Now once I was there I had to perform. That is the reason I have continually gotten opportunity after opportunity, but to suggest I am jealous is silly. I have not even worked 10 years. But I have been working varsity and college ball most of my umpiring an officiating career. I have nothing but more to accomplish, but I know my place. So not sure what I would be concerned with. I cannot expect to go to a Super Sectional without first being Certified and having some playoff experience.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
HHH, Carl, et al have distinguished resumés. Why chide them for that?

Well, I have never gotten upset with Carl about what he has done in his career. I have disagreed with him because I have believed that he lives in the past at times. But that is not different with any older umpire that is used to doing things one way when they were coming up, now the landscape has changed and philosophies have changed. But that does not mean I have never learned from Carl or taken on his many philosophies.

Peter on the other hand, likes to insult everyone not on his level of baseball. He just seems to like insulting people because they do not agree with his position. I really do not care what his level is at all.

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
If you differ with their opinion, be logical and eloquent enough to challenge them. But don't come here and ask for me to abstain from negative threads and name calling when you are living in a glass house.

Windy, I have been very logical and very eloquent in challenging them. Just because you disagree, does not make it so. But Peter spends half his time trying to call people names, but I guess you consider that eloquent? Peter has been upset with me and insulted me and I for the life I me do not know why? I know I have said things over the years, but what would make someone so worried about me that they have to constantly get personal? And when you have disagreed with me, you give a resume than take issue with the points people say. You even have given examples in other sports but have yet to admit being wrong on any level to back up a point of view you hold. You call that eloquent and logical?

Windy, this was not directed at you. I in no way was talking about you specifically. I really am talking about anyone that might try to convince the rest of us that they have "achieved" certain things to keep those things in perspective. Even the things I have accomplished, I do my best to keep them in perspective. There are guys in MLB, the NFL and the NBA that you have never heard of. You could not recognize them if they walked right by you. But for the most part there are people that we know them and all their many accomplishments that have worked in at those levels for years. So there have been always people that have achieved more than you have. And there are a lot of guys that made it to those levels, only to find themselves back with the rest of the pack. You might have been there, but have you done 11 College World Series as an official that I saw speak at the IHSA Convention? You tell me why he is so humble?

Peace

[WindyCityBlue]

I replied to Jurassic Referee. That would be the reference to his name IN THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH.

I did not read this post, since you couldn't be bothered to read mine. It was directed to someone else.

[WindyCityBlue]

[/B][/QUOTE]Maybe you can explain to me exactly how I'm using venom when I very accurately quote the names and phrases used by your "Officials of Accomplishment"? For instance, "Big Dog" is Peter's term, not mine.

Or maybe are you talking to Peter, and his "ilk", about the name calling? I'm just repeating what I read. [/B][/QUOTE]

Nope, I was talking to you...at least you were intelligent to read the entire post and understand the reference. I don't think I have ever been accused of implying that "the other umpire" was logical or eloquent.

You are smart enough to realize the implications of "Master" or "O Umpire of Accomplishment". Your purpose was sarcastic AND demeaning. I'm just surprised that you would go down that road after our little adventure a couple of weeks ago. I don't care what past you have with those members, I disdain hypocrisy. Don't tell one member to refrain from contributions that don't add to the discussion, when you do the opposite. You called me on it and I've attempted to add more than detract. At least your discusssion with me always included a relevant argument to the topic. I may not have agreed, but I respected the fact that you challenged it and didn't turn it into a personality war. I always respect those that can argue well - logically and eloquently. I'm just at a loss to what your cause is here.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue

Maybe you can explain to me exactly how I'm using venom when I very accurately quote the names and phrases used by your "Officials of Accomplishment"? For instance, "Big Dog" is Peter's term, not mine.

Or maybe are you talking to Peter, and his "ilk", about the name calling? I'm just repeating what I read. [/B][/QUOTE]

Nope, I was talking to you...at least you were intelligent to read the entire post and understand the reference. I don't think I have ever been accused of implying that "the other umpire" was logical or eloquent.

You are smart enough to realize the implications of "Master" or "O Umpire of Accomplishment". Your purpose was sarcastic AND demeaning. I'm just surprised that you would go down that road after our little adventure a couple of weeks ago. I don't care what past you have with those members, I disdain hypocrisy. Don't tell one member to refrain from contributions that don't add to the discussion, when you do the opposite. You called me on it and I've attempted to add more than detract. At least your discusssion with me always included a relevant argument to the topic. I may not have agreed, but I respected the fact that you challenged it and didn't turn it into a personality war. I always respect those that can argue well - logically and eloquently. I'm just at a loss to what your cause is here. [/B][/QUOTE]Windy, read all the posts again. All I did was quote someone elses' words. Not mine- someone elses. For instance, someone else called me "feable(sic)-minded" in one of his posts in another thread. Now some people might have taken that the wrong way, and think that it might have been demeaning- but I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. I'll certainly try to refrain from calling people names, but I also don't think that it's just as wrong when I point out the other people that are doing so.

Now do you seriously want to know what my cause is? Well,lemme tell you. My cause is that I sureashell don't want to see this board go the way of McGriffs. Whether it's the basketball or baseball side, I don't want the "Observers" of the world posting their crap and hatred here too, even if they do it under another name. I'm with you- I don't like hypocrisy either. I also don't like elitism. I sureashell have enough common sense to know that some people posting in this forum are a heckuva lot more experienced, capable, more knowledgeable and just all-around better umpires than a lot of the other umpires that post here. And always will be. Having said that, there is still no damn way in the world that gives the better umpire the right to dump on any of the other guys asking questions or trying to make a point here. Help them. Don't tell them to shut up and stop posting because they don't know what they're talking about. That's just wrong, imo. What may seem like something that's very basic to you, Windy, may be something that these other guys have never heard of before. They have to learn too. Give them that chance before you judge and dismiss them.

Now I have to also say, Windy, that I didn't really direct the above comments at you. Lately, I think that you have attempted to add more than subtract- and I think that you have done that. I've learned a few things from you- which is why I come over here and lurk in the first place. You've also refrained too from a lot of the extraneous attacks on Rut lately. There's nothing the matter with arguing with him. Hell, Rut and I have had some dandies in the past, and we will probably have some in the future too- but when we're done with 'em, we're done. Just going after him for the sheer sport of it,or just to try and antagonize him, doesn't really add much to this board, or say much about the person trying to do that either imo.

I'm off the bandwagon now. Hopefully, I can disappear back to the basketball board now and you guys will never have to put up with me again. I hope so too.

[His High Holiness]

Originally posted by JRutledge


... Windy, I have been very logical and very eloquent in challenging them. ...

Peace

Rut;

If you want to know why you are not taken seriously, the above statement says it all. No one else would assign to your writings the words "logical" and "eloquent." Only you believe that about yourself.

An official must know how he is perceived by others. For instance, I know that most on the board perceive me as an a$$hole and worse. If you think that anyone thinks of you as logical and eloquent...

I can only say that you are delusional.

Peter

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by His High Holiness

Rut;

If you want to know why you are not taken seriously, the above statement says it all. No one else would assign to your writings the words "logical" and "eloquent." Only you believe that about yourself.

An official must know how he is perceived by others. For instance, I know that most on the board perceive me as an a$$hole and worse. If you think that anyone thinks of you as logical and eloquent...

I can only say that you are delusional.

Peter

Obsessive-compulsive disorder

Definition:
An anxiety disorder characterized by an inability to resist or stop continuous, abnormal thoughts or fears combined with ritualistic, repetitive, and involuntary defense behavior.

Taken from:
http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/top/000929.cfm

See a doctor. Really.

[His High Holiness]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Obsessive-compulsive disorder

Definition:
An anxiety disorder characterized by an inability to resist or stop continuous, abnormal thoughts or fears combined with ritualistic, repetitive, and involuntary defense behavior.

See a doctor. Really.

Others have insisted that I am compulsive about the atrociousness of LL umpires.

You must be a LL umpire to have taken such offense.

[His High Holiness]

Originally posted by LMan
HHH, you can use this if you like, might help with those pesky guys

You may have opened a can of worms.

When the editor first assigned me my moniker four years ago, it was simply His Holiness. I immediately adopted it with great pride for it had been bestowed upon me by a recognized big dog.

That offended a number of posters of the Catholic persuasion. In a very rare moment of sensitivity for me, I accepted a promotion to His High Holiness so I would not be confused with the man who umpires in a dress.

[mick]

Okeedokee.