Player Ejection Volume II

[mick]

Originally posted by Baseball_North
I'm not going to disagree with you on that point, Rich. Being ejected only makes things worse for your team. I guess my bottom line is that just because I am an umpire, doesn't mean I am going to act A LOT differently as a player. Things happen in the heat of the moment. People get angry. That's the way sports go. They are emotional, competitive, and have an agressive nature sometimes.

Baseball_North,
I used to feel that way with all my sports.
Around 40 the years changed me, and I began to enjoy the competition from the standpoint of skill and not score; yet, I have always thought winning is a ton better than participating. Sure, play to win, but be a winner in any case.
It's a metamorphsis.
We learn. We change.
mick

[His High Holiness]

Originally posted by sir_eldren

Very nice. You've just insulted about 80% of all baseball players and umpires out there. As you said, you have about the worst attitude on this board, and I agree with you whole-heartedly. You are a lame punk who has no true respect for this game or else you'd understand one of the basic tenets of officiating: EVERY game is important because it's the most important game to the players that day.

-Craig

I never said anything about the game not being important. As a matter of fact, I teach umpires to treat every game as a learning experience and give it 100%. A crappy game with a score of 11-2 is a great time to sharpen your own game because usually no one yells at you. Usually!

I have been to numerous umpires camps and conferences. At every one, there is some jerk student who wants to argue with the Major League umpire/NCAA big dog that we have brought in to train us.

This board is exactly the same. There are a few people who really know what they are doing and bunch a Little League and Babe Ruth style umpires who want to argue with them. At the camps, the Major League bigs dogs politely engage the jerk students. Likewise, here on the forum most of the big dogs politely engage the apprentices. A few, like me, tell them to shut up and listen.

Notice that nothing in what I said should reflect negatively on what 90% of coaches and players in Little League are trying to accomplish. They are trying to have fun and learn something. They are being good sports and practice sportsmanship. If it weren't for the other 10% of morons and wannabes, they would not even need trained umpires.

To do this job right requires at least 30 hours of classroom training, 30 more hours of on-field training, and 10 hours per year of on-field refresher and mechanics checkups. That's the minimum to stay proficient. If you want to get better, a whole lot more is required.

The wannabes want to attend a two hour clinic and come to the forum and argue with me. They think that this will make them better and that they are now good umpires.

They suck, and they and their ilk are the only ones that don't know it. Real umpires know that they suck, and the coaches and players that suffer through their games know they suck. Most real umpires politely string them along in their delusion. That is the one thing that makes me different. In that regard, I am like the coaches and players who tell them that they suck.

Yesterday, I did a 16 year old Babe Ruth tournament with a three man crew. The plate umpire sucked. Between innings, I talked to the other base umpire about what I was going to say to the plate umpire after the game.

"Fortunately" for the plate umpire, he suffered from heat exhaustion and had to be carted away in an ambulance. He did not get to hear my critique which would have ruined his day more than the hospital visit. My other partner knew what I was going to say and opined that perhaps a hospital visit was better than my a$$ chewing.

Peter

[Kaliix]

Just out of curiousity, what was it about the home plate umpire that sucked so bad that you were going to chew his a$$ after the game?

I would really like to know so that I may avoid such things in the future.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by His High Holiness

Yesterday, I did a 16 year old Babe Ruth tournament with a three man crew. The plate umpire sucked. Between innings, I talked to the other base umpire about what I was going to say to the plate umpire after the game.

"Fortunately" for the plate umpire, he suffered from heat exhaustion and had to be carted away in an ambulance. He did not get to hear my critique which would have ruined his day more than the hospital visit. My other partner knew what I was going to say and opined that perhaps a hospital visit was better than my a$$ chewing.

Peter

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by His High Holiness
[/B]

This board is exactly the same. There are a few people who really know what they are doing and bunch a Little League and Babe Ruth style umpires who want to argue with them. At the camps, the Major League bigs dogs politely engage the jerk students. Likewise, here on the forum most of the big dogs politely engage the apprentices. A few, like me, tell them to shut up and listen.

The wannabes want to attend a two hour clinic and come to the forum and argue with me. They think that this will make them better and that they are now good umpires.

They suck, and they and their ilk are the only ones that don't know it. Real umpires know that they suck, and the coaches and players that suffer through their games know they suck. Most real umpires politely string them along in their delusion. That is the one thing that makes me different. In that regard, I am like the coaches and players who tell them that they suck.

[/B][/QUOTE]I agree with that completely!!!!

There's just no damn way that the "greenhorns and wannabes" and "bullsh*t umpires from the unruly bush leagues" should ever have the temerity to question any of the "officials of accomplishment" on this forum. That's just not right! They should know their place, damnit! They're not "Big Dogs, are they? Whatinthehell do they think this is anyway? A public forum or something? They should just "suck" quietly!

It is OK for you greenhorns, wannabes and bullsh*t umpires to pay to read the Master's articles though. Just make sure that you don't try to comment on them afterwards!!!!

Sigh! It's just not easy to be a Big Dog anymore!

Lah me!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

This board is exactly the same. There are a few people who really know what they are doing and bunch a Little League and Babe Ruth style umpires who want to argue with them. At the camps, the Major League bigs dogs politely engage the jerk students. Likewise, here on the forum most of the big dogs politely engage the apprentices. A few, like me, tell them to shut up and listen.

The wannabes want to attend a two hour clinic and come to the forum and argue with me. They think that this will make them better and that they are now good umpires.

They suck, and they and their ilk are the only ones that don't know it. Real umpires know that they suck, and the coaches and players that suffer through their games know they suck. Most real umpires politely string them along in their delusion. That is the one thing that makes me different. In that regard, I am like the coaches and players who tell them that they suck.

[/B]

I agree with that completely!!!!

There's just no damn way that the "greenhorns and wannabes" and "bullsh*t umpires from the unruly bush leagues" should ever have the temerity to question any of the "officials of accomplishment" on this forum. That's just not right! They should know their place, damnit! They're not "Big Dogs, are they? Whatinthehell do they think this is anyway? A public forum or something? They should just "suck" quietly!

It is OK for you greenhorns, wannabes and bullsh*t umpires to pay to read the Master's articles though. Just make sure that you don't try to comment on them afterwards!!!!

Sigh! It's just not easy to be a Big Dog anymore!

Lah me!

[/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah but no matter how badly the new guy sucked, or how great the big dog feels about himself after working his big time exciting "real" game, one fact still remains:

There are 6 billion people in China who do not give a sh1t.

:shrug:

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

[/B]

Yeah but no matter how badly the new guy sucked, or how great the big dog feels about himself after working his big time exciting "real" game, one fact still remains:

There are 6 billion people in China who do not give a sh1t.

[/B][/QUOTE]Aaaaaargh!!

Heresy!!!!!!!

Forgive him, O Umpire of Accomplishment. He knows not what he says.

I banish you to the Basketball Forum, Dan_ref. Begone! Go and be with your ilk! Shoo! Shoo!

Lah me!

The mantle of greatness.......

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

The mantle of greatness.......

Sooo...would the opposite of the mantle of greatness be the buckner of infamy?

[Tim C]

Ya, what are you "Basketball Guys" doing here anyway?

Pretty soon there will be a deRock mention and Game Presence then things will go south . . .

I wish I could figger out how to rewrite HHH's post so that the good (and correct parts) could fall into place for some of our posters to understand.

Tee

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Tim C
Ya, what are you "Basketball Guys" doing here anyway?

I came here to worship at the feet of the Master.

Dan just came over to steal toilet paper again.

[LMan]

HHH, you can use this if you like, might help with those pesky guys

[JRutledge]

There are a lot of people that are not what they say they are. There are a many of umpires in my area that work D1 and Minor League Baseball. Most are not even on a D1 staff or many were never hired by the Major League Baseball Program. So when guys try to tell you that they work D1, it means that they might know the assignor that might hire them at one or two games at Northern Illinois University for example, but never work any other school in NIU's Conference. I know guys that worked only D1 games at my Alma Mater's school, but worked no where else. It is not like the other sports where you will not get a change unless they hire you on their staff in some capacity. I know in football for example, you cannot just work a Big Ten game because unless you are hired by the assignor of the conference. And at best you might only work one or two games a year if you are not considered a full staff member. They do have associate staff members that fill in or work the lower tier games.

So when guys try to push their abilities on everyone and tell you they work a level, watch out. I am sure there are individuals that are here that are very legitimate in what they say and do. But I know there are people that are trying to convince the rest of us that they accomplished something, but leaving out very specific details. There are a lot of guys that have worked games at DeKalb, IL and did not work any other teams in that conference. There are many guys that have worked a Schaumburg Flyers game, but have not worked any other team in the division games or places that the Flyers play. I just had this very conversation with a D1 Umpire that works on a staff and works regular conference series. Even before he was hired, he did the same thing I mentioned above.

So when a "so-called" Big Dog comes here or anywhere trying to tell us how much they know and what they have done, you have to watch out. I will tell you that I have done some D3 and JUCO Baseball in my time. But I might do less than 10 games a year and mostly do it when I have an opening after I get my HS schedule. I am not on a staff, never have tried to be. I am not better than the other umpires that work the games with me; I just work when I can. It really is not a big deal in my opinion. But I guess people have to pump themselves up to put down other people.

Peace

[WindyCityBlue]

It's funny, you chastised me for name calling when I said that your name was appropriate to you officiating philosophy. Yet, I've read nothing but venom from you lately. You may dress it up in flowery parlance, but mastering our language does not mask the sentiment.

You seem to have difficulty with anyone who is a more accomplished official than you. "Big Dogs"...does that refer to anyone at a level above you?

If I'm not mistaken, when I back up my opinions with on field examples or talk about my training, you asked why I feel compelled to post my resumé at every turn. Sorry, but when I support a claim with real world experience, I don't go back to my LL days. HHH, Carl, et al have distinguished resumés. Why chide them for that? If you differ with their opinion, be logical and eloquent enough to challenge them. But don't come here and ask for me to abstain from negative threads and name calling when you are living in a glass house.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I came here to worship at the feet of the Master.

Dan just came over to steal toilet paper again.

[His High Holiness]

Originally posted by Kaliix
Just out of curiousity, what was it about the home plate umpire that sucked so bad that you were going to chew his a$$ after the game?

I would really like to know so that I may avoid such things in the future.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Kaliix;

He completely missed two catcher's interference calls. From down at third in position D, I could tell that he missed both of them. The second was so gross that the catcher's mitt was torn off and thrown 6 feet. As everyone yelled at him, I wandered in near the mound as if to say

"Buddy, you better get some help cause I have it."

He finally motioned us in and my partner and I gave him some much needed help. He changed the call to catcher's interference and the other coach did not say a word.

He called several worm burners strikes.

On a nut cutter fail/foul call, he weakly yelled foul and few heard it. I had called the BR out at second before everyone realized that he had called foul and we had to send the BR back to bat. No one was happy. One run and an out were taken off of the board. (After the game, I was told that the videotape showed the ball was fair.)

He allowed the pitcher to argue with him. It should have been an immediate ejection. (Maybe not, because the PU had just balled a cock shot.)

A batter threw a small temper tantrum at home plate after a swinging strike out. This should have been an immediate ejection. These two incidents were a direct result of his not controlling the game.

He allowed some minor crap to come out of the dugouts but my partner and I shut it down after he failed to deal with it.

On the plus side; he LOOKS like a good umpire when calling balls and strikes. He has the right look, which so many lack.

Also, he stopped an illegal substitution which many umpires would have missed. The coach tried an illegal reentry, and the official scorekeeper in the press box let it happen.

Peter



[Edited by His High Holiness on Jul 12th, 2004 at 01:35 PM]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
It's funny, you chastised me for name calling when I said that your name was appropriate to you officiating philosophy. Yet, I've read nothing but venom from you lately. You may dress it up in flowery parlance, but mastering our language does not mask the sentiment.

You seem to have difficulty with anyone who is a more accomplished official than you. "Big Dogs"...does that refer to anyone at a level above you?

Maybe you can explain to me exactly how I'm using venom when I very accurately quote the names and phrases used by your "Officials of Accomplishment"? For instance, "Big Dog" is Peter's term, not mine.

Or maybe are you talking to Peter, and his "ilk", about the name calling? I'm just repeating what I read.