Out or continue at bat?

[Mountaincoach]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

The ball hit the bat. On the knob. No way was it an attempt to tap the ball.

Foul ball.

And if the same ball hit the same bat on the same knob and shot out into fair territory, what are you going to call then? Foul ball?

The situation described in the OP is very simple--batter is OUT. Attempt and intention has nothing to do with it.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

And if the same ball hit the same bat on the same knob and shot out into fair territory, what are you going to call then? Foul ball? No - it's a batted ball - play it.

The situation described in the OP is very simple--batter is OUT. Attempt and intention has nothing to do with it. It does on a bunt because you are out on a "3rd strike" bunt that goes foul but not on just a plain batted ball that goes foul. A bunt is a batted ball INTENTIONALLY MET. No intent, no bunt.
Still a batted ball.

Understand the difference.

[LRZ]

Intent requires the exercise of judgment.

[Mountaincoach]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Understand the difference.

Can you quote that in the rule book? The "intention" part? Just trying to learn here.

Originally Posted by LRZ

Intent requires the exercise of judgment.

Agreed. If a player presents a bat over the plate and makes no attempt whatsoever to pull back or disengage from the pitch, that's quite a bit of intent.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

Can you quote that in the rule book? The "intention" part? Just trying to learn here.



Agreed. If a player presents a bat over the plate and makes no attempt whatsoever to pull back or disengage from the pitch, that's quite a bit of intent.

In softball, that's enough intent. In baseball, it's not.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

Can you quote that in the rule book? The "intention" part? Just trying to learn here.

It's only an out if the ball is bunted foul with two strikes. The definition of bunt is that the ball is intentionally met with the bat. Any other contact with the bat is played fair or foul as the case may be.

[Derek007]

dont think intent has anything to do with it. Have you ever seen a batter duck from a pitch and have it hit his bat. It happens all the time, most cases a foul ball but certainly no intent to hit the ball.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Derek007

dont think intent has anything to do with it. Have you ever seen a batter duck from a pitch and have it hit his bat. It happens all the time, most cases a foul ball but certainly no intent to hit the ball.

See my post above yours.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Derek007

dont think intent has anything to do with it. Have you ever seen a batter duck from a pitch and have it hit his bat. It happens all the time, most cases a foul ball but certainly no intent to hit the ball.

It matters on a bunt. See my response above.

[flash350]

in hs baseball, does the batter have to draw the bat back in a bunt situation for it not to be called a bunt attempt?

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

Can you quote that in the rule book? The "intention" part? Just trying to learn here.

Revised rules in Definition of Terms (Was in 2.00 in prior editions of the rules)

A BUNT is a batted ball not swung at, but intentionally met with
the bat and tapped slowly within the infield.

[rcaverly]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

Can you quote that in the rule book? The "intention" part? Just trying to learn here....Agreed. If a player presents a bat over the plate and makes no attempt whatsoever to pull back or disengage from the pitch, that's quite a bit of intent.

NFHS 7.2.1B

B1 starts to swing at the pitch but attempts to hold back on it or it appears as though he attempts to bunt the ball. In either case, B1 misses the ball. How does umpire determine what to call the pitch?
RULING: A call of that nature is based entirely upon the umpire’s judgment. Therefore, the umpire must, in order to be consistent, have criteria to guide him in making the decision. The rule that most umpires follow is that if the bat is swung so it is in front of the batter’s body or ahead of it, it is a strike. In bunting, any movement of the bat toward the ball when the ball is over or near the plate area, is a strike. The mere holding of the bat in the strike zone is not an attempt to bunt. (10-1-4a)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mountaincoach

And if the same ball hit the same bat on the same knob and shot out into fair territory, what are you going to call then? Foul ball?

The situation described in the OP is very simple--batter is OUT. Attempt and intention has nothing to do with it.

He's not disagreeing that it's a batted ball (and thus, foul -- or fair in your quoted play). He's just disagreeing that it's a bunt (and, thus, a foul bunt with two strikes ==> out).