Stump the ump

[Matt]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

A. No, it was a pitched ball until it came to rest. There are 6 others I believe.

B. Yes. No different than a pitch coming in and the catcher takes one off the arm protecting you. No one moving, I'm killing it. I'm dusting off the plate taking another ball to the pitcher.

Are you saying you can't kill a play unless someone has possession of it?

I wonder if the rules makers ever played the game!? Same for officials who administer the rules. Maybe another thread coming! Nah! Already know the answer!

Wrong on both A and B, and your implied insult.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Matt

Wrong on both A and B, and your implied insult.

Sorry if you took it personally, I was not directing the comment to any one specifically. I have read a lot of your input on here and other forums and respect your opinion greatly.

I thought we were talking FED and just don't see how we cannot just kill it, by rule, when action is relaxed.

Let me ask you this. If your catcher blocks one in the dirt keeping the ball in front of him, he removes his helmet while looking at the runner/s who are not moving, slides the ball toward him or picks it up using his helmet/mask, you are going to award bases?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Sorry if you took it personally, I was not directing the comment to any one specifically. I have read a lot of your input on here and other forums and respect your opinion greatly.

I thought we were talking FED and just don't see how we cannot just kill it, by rule, when action is relaxed.

Let me ask you this. If your catcher blocks one in the dirt keeping the ball in front of him, he removes his helmet while looking at the runner/s who are not moving, slides the ball toward him or picks it up using his helmet/mask, you are going to award bases?

Absolutely. Even got this one at the college level once.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Sorry if you took it personally, I was not directing the comment to any one specifically. I have read a lot of your input on here and other forums and respect your opinion greatly.

I thought we were talking FED and just don't see how we cannot just kill it, by rule, when action is relaxed.

Let me ask you this. If your catcher blocks one in the dirt keeping the ball in front of him, he removes his helmet while looking at the runner/s who are not moving, slides the ball toward him or picks it up using his helmet/mask, you are going to award bases?

Personally, I'm going to call time at this point and check the ball -- before the catcher does what you describe here.

If I have to award bases on detached player equipment, I will, but if I can avoid it (like in this situation), you're damned right I will.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich

Personally, I'm going to call time at this point and check the ball -- before the catcher does what you describe here.

If I have to award bases on detached player equipment, I will, but if I can avoid it (like in this situation), you're damned right I will.

Unless you're a mindreader, why would you check the ball? I'm assuming you don't do it on all balls in the dirt. I think you're looking retroactively at the situation and applying a proactive remedy that you just won't have at the time it would need to be applied.