Stump the ump

[thumpferee]

The rule states if it is a fair batted or thrown ball including a pitch. The rules also state when a pitch ends. Once the ball came to rest, which is the way I see it in the OP, the pitch ended.

Let's not forget we have a batter without a helmet on. Once there was no play being made, I'm killing it.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

The rule states if it is a fair batted or thrown ball including a pitch. The rules also state when a pitch ends. Once the ball came to rest, which is the way I see it in the OP, the pitch ended.

Let's not forget we have a batter without a helmet on. Once there was no play being made, I'm killing it.

A. It's still a pitched ball.

B. You're killing it with the ball in no one's possession?

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Matt

A. It's still a pitched ball.

B. You're killing it with the ball in no one's possession?

A. No, it was a pitched ball until it came to rest. There are 6 others I believe.

B. Yes. No different than a pitch coming in and the catcher takes one off the arm protecting you. No one moving, I'm killing it. I'm dusting off the plate taking another ball to the pitcher.

Are you saying you can't kill a play unless someone has possession of it?

I wonder if the rules makers ever played the game!? Same for officials who administer the rules. Maybe another thread coming! Nah! Already know the answer!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

A. No, it was a pitched ball until it came to rest. There are 6 others I believe.

B. Yes. No different than a pitch coming in and the catcher takes one off the arm protecting you. No one moving, I'm killing it. I'm dusting off the plate taking another ball to the pitcher.

Are you saying you can't kill a play unless someone has possession of it?

I wonder if the rules makers ever played the game!? Same for officials who administer the rules. Maybe another thread coming! Nah! Already know the answer!

Wrong on both A and B, and your implied insult.

[thumpferee]

Originally Posted by Matt

Wrong on both A and B, and your implied insult.

Sorry if you took it personally, I was not directing the comment to any one specifically. I have read a lot of your input on here and other forums and respect your opinion greatly.

I thought we were talking FED and just don't see how we cannot just kill it, by rule, when action is relaxed.

Let me ask you this. If your catcher blocks one in the dirt keeping the ball in front of him, he removes his helmet while looking at the runner/s who are not moving, slides the ball toward him or picks it up using his helmet/mask, you are going to award bases?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Sorry if you took it personally, I was not directing the comment to any one specifically. I have read a lot of your input on here and other forums and respect your opinion greatly.

I thought we were talking FED and just don't see how we cannot just kill it, by rule, when action is relaxed.

Let me ask you this. If your catcher blocks one in the dirt keeping the ball in front of him, he removes his helmet while looking at the runner/s who are not moving, slides the ball toward him or picks it up using his helmet/mask, you are going to award bases?

Absolutely. Even got this one at the college level once.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Sorry if you took it personally, I was not directing the comment to any one specifically. I have read a lot of your input on here and other forums and respect your opinion greatly.

I thought we were talking FED and just don't see how we cannot just kill it, by rule, when action is relaxed.

Let me ask you this. If your catcher blocks one in the dirt keeping the ball in front of him, he removes his helmet while looking at the runner/s who are not moving, slides the ball toward him or picks it up using his helmet/mask, you are going to award bases?

Personally, I'm going to call time at this point and check the ball -- before the catcher does what you describe here.

If I have to award bases on detached player equipment, I will, but if I can avoid it (like in this situation), you're damned right I will.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Rich

Personally, I'm going to call time at this point and check the ball -- before the catcher does what you describe here.

If I have to award bases on detached player equipment, I will, but if I can avoid it (like in this situation), you're damned right I will.

Unless you're a mindreader, why would you check the ball? I'm assuming you don't do it on all balls in the dirt. I think you're looking retroactively at the situation and applying a proactive remedy that you just won't have at the time it would need to be applied.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

A. No, it was a pitched ball until it came to rest. There are 6 others I believe.

It was no longer a pitch, but it was still a pitched ball. Otherwise, under FED (which might be the only rules code to really make a distinction) you'll get some weird interps (and even FED might not be consistent in their use of it).