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Old Mon Oct 10, 2016, 06:34am
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I don't want to get into a word definition battle for sure, but people discern things differently. If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.

Obviously the pitcher can't begin their leg lift or slide step until their hands are either stopped, or moving in the same direction as their lift or slide step. Otherwise you have a balk.
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Old Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:47am
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I don't want to get into a word definition battle for sure, but people discern things differently. If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.

Obviously the pitcher can't begin their leg lift or slide step until their hands are either stopped, or moving in the same direction as their lift or slide step. Otherwise you have a balk.
The only rule set that followed this rule to the letter was NCAA and that was changed years ago to meld with the other rule sets. "a change of direction is not to be considered a stop".
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Old Tue Oct 11, 2016, 11:48am
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I don't want to get into a word definition battle for sure, but people discern things differently. If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.

Obviously the pitcher can't begin their leg lift or slide step until their hands are either stopped, or moving in the same direction as their lift or slide step. Otherwise you have a balk.
So if a pitcher does it the first time it's a balk, but on the 24th time it isn't?

Fascinating.
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Old Tue Oct 11, 2016, 01:47pm
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He stopped entirely after the 5th inning!
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If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive. I have then discerned there was a stop. If minimum duration of time mattered greatly, there would be a time mentioned in the rules.
"ceases to be deceptive" has nothing to do with calling a balk. That's not mentioned in the rules.
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Old Mon Oct 17, 2016, 11:43am
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If there is a change in direction of the hands, and that change if direction occurs in the same spot each time, it can be predicted and ceases to be deceptive.
Most pitchers stop in the same spot every time. It would mess up their mechanics if they altered it.

What they do is alter the elapsed time of the stop. This keeps theor mechanics the same but keeps the runner on his toes.
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