Obstruction

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Matt

Why not? It's the right call in all of them.

The FED video of the obstruction is IMHO a good example of obstruction causing a missed 3B. Both OBR and NCAA have interps that allow the umpire to consider the base touched. It is now clear that FED does not abide by the other codes' interp. I can't get the screenshots of the video to upload.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by umpjim

The FED video of the obstruction is IMHO a good example of obstruction causing a missed 3B. Both OBR and NCAA have interps that allow the umpire to consider the base touched. It is now clear that FED does not abide by the other codes' interp. I can't get the screenshots of the video to upload.

Screenshots URL:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzA...ew?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzA...ew?usp=sharing

[Matt]

Originally Posted by umpjim

The FED video of the obstruction is IMHO a good example of obstruction causing a missed 3B. Both OBR and NCAA have interps that allow the umpire to consider the base touched. It is now clear that FED does not abide by the other codes' interp. I can't get the screenshots of the video to upload.

Ok, I was referring to the OP, not the video...short of a defender laying on top of home plate for hours on end or contact that sends a runner flying into DBT (both infinitesimally likely,) OBS can never be the proximate cause of a runner missing home. He's no longer liable to be put out, he has no other responsibilities, he can come back and touch it.

Not a fan of making a runner touch on OBS that causes him to miss a base. I get the logic, but it's also contrary to other FED logic that takes things out of our hands. In this case, they expect a runner to be further disadvantaged by mandating he touch a missed base and for us to consider that in our awards.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by Matt

Ok, I was referring to the OP, not the video...short of a defender laying on top of home plate for hours on end or contact that sends a runner flying into DBT (both infinitesimally likely,) OBS can never be the proximate cause of a runner missing home. He's no longer liable to be put out, he has no other responsibilities, he can come back and touch it.

Not a fan of making a runner touch on OBS that causes him to miss a base. I get the logic, but it's also contrary to other FED logic that takes things out of our hands. In this case, they expect a runner to be further disadvantaged by mandating he touch a missed base and for us to consider that in our awards.

I would agree that in the OP the runner should come back and touch HP if the umpire said "time, that's obstruction, you HP". If the umpire said "that's obstruction, safe", I would not hold the runner responsible but the OP umpire might anyway if he mistakenly used that mechanic. If I mistakenly used that mechanic, which is possible in the heat of the moment, I would not rule the runner out.

[DG]

Check page 239 of 2015 BRD, item 368. According to this FED is treated same as NCAA and OBR. The example under OBR is F2 misses 3b due to obstruction and is safe on a close play at the plate. Defense appeals missed 3b. In FED/NCAA appeal is denied. In OBR it is umpire judgment, and as explained earlier judgment as to whether the runner would have touched absent the obstruction.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by DG

Check page 239 of 2015 BRD, item 368. According to this FED is treated same as NCAA and OBR. The example under OBR is F2 misses 3b due to obstruction and is safe on a close play at the plate. Defense appeals missed 3b. In FED/NCAA appeal is denied. In OBR it is umpire judgment, and as explained earlier judgment as to whether the runner would have touched absent the obstruction.

My screen shots are from official NFHS videos posted May of 2015. Kyle Mcneely was one of the compilers:
https://www.nfhs.org/articles/offici...s-this-spring/

They also have a strange take on RLI discussed here:RLI called when BR is thrown out? - High School - Umpire-Empire

[DG]

Originally Posted by umpjim

My screen shots are from official NFHS videos posted May of 2015. Kyle Mcneely was one of the compilers:
https://www.nfhs.org/articles/offici...s-this-spring/

They also have a strange take on RLI discussed here:RLI called when BR is thrown out? - High School - Umpire-Empire

Videos/interpretations not readily available are not very useful. The RLI example is another one, along with the obstruction case, that are not consistent with normal interpretations.