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[Upward ref]

How about this one i've encountered but I haven't been able to ask our interpreter:
I don't believe it's supported by the rules but I've been told by a few refs that if a shot doesn't hit the rim it's not a shot and the 3 second count should continue . (With the younger boys and girls up to 8th grade and NFHS rules.)
I Don't want to over do it because in my opinion the 3 second rule is largely ignored in most of the H S games I've watched, not mentioned much locally, and rarely called by most of the partners I've worked with in jv. Also been advised /warned not to give warnings in the lane as the other coach will start hollering about giving them help or coaching the opponent.

[Adam]

Team control is required for a 3 second count.
Team control ends as soon as a try is released.
That should answer the rule aspect.

As for the rest, that's going to be local. Here, we're told to talk them out, especially early.

I'm saddened that more than one veteran official hasn't bothered to learn the 3 second rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

Team control is required for a 3 second count.
Team control ends as soon as a try is released.
That should answer the rule aspect.

As for the rest, that's going to be local. Here, we're told to talk them out, especially early.

I'm saddened that more than one veteran official hasn't bothered to learn the 3 second rule.

And a try is an attempt to put it in the basket regardless of where it ends up or how close it gets.

[Upward ref]

For me the question is ; if it didn't hit the rim, then it was a pass,therefore still team control, keep counting. I disagree but that's what I've "heard" . I only find 4-41-2
Stating "the officials judgement" whether its a try or not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

For me the question is ; if it didn't hit the rim, then it was a pass,therefore still team control, keep counting. I disagree but that's what I've "heard" . I only find 4-41-2
Stating "the officials judgement" whether its a try or not.

Then they should look up the definition of a try. As Camron notes, it says nothing about where it ends up. I'm guessing these guys would also call a travel if a shooter rebounds his own airball.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

For me the question is ; if it didn't hit the rim, then it was a pass,therefore still team control, keep counting. I disagree but that's what I've "heard" . I only find 4-41-2
Stating "the officials judgement" whether its a try or not.

If you, your partner and everyone else in the gym believes it was a try, then it was a try and all the applicable rules apply...including the loss of team control when the ball was released.

I'll echo Adam...shameful that a veteran official would not know this. How much of a "veteran" is he anyway?

BTW Adam, I had the airball-caught-by-shooter-other-team-thinks-it's-travel play in my game today.

Coach: "He can't do that!"
Me: "Coach, what did the player do with the ball?"
Coach: "He shot it."
Me: "So that means he caught his own rebound."
Coach: "But what about 3 seconds."
Me: "That ends with the shot attempt."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I'll echo Adam...shameful that a veteran official would not know this. How much of a "veteran" is he anyway?

Probably one of those ones with 2 years of experience 10 times.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Probably one of those ones with 2 years of experience 10 times.

+1

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If you, your partner and everyone else in the gym believes it was a try, then it was a try and all the applicable rules apply...

Almost right. We really don't care what everyone else believes.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If you, your partner and everyone else in the gym believes it was a try, then it was a try and all the applicable rules apply...including the loss of team control when the ball was released.

I'll echo Adam...shameful that a veteran official would not know this. How much of a "veteran" is he anyway?

BTW Adam, I had the airball-caught-by-shooter-other-team-thinks-it's-travel play in my game today.

Coach: "He can't do that!"
Me: "Coach, what did the player do with the ball?"
Coach: "He shot it."
Me: "So that means he caught his own rebound."
Coach: "But what about 3 seconds."
Me: "That ends with the shot attempt."

Had a partner call it last year.

It was right in front of me (L in 2 man). I got with him quick and asked exactly what he had. We gave it back to A on the endline.

[Raymond]

Upward Ref has my email address and obviously didn't ask this local ref.