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[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Upward ref

For me the question is ; if it didn't hit the rim, then it was a pass,therefore still team control, keep counting. I disagree but that's what I've "heard" . I only find 4-41-2
Stating "the officials judgement" whether its a try or not.

If you, your partner and everyone else in the gym believes it was a try, then it was a try and all the applicable rules apply...including the loss of team control when the ball was released.

I'll echo Adam...shameful that a veteran official would not know this. How much of a "veteran" is he anyway?

BTW Adam, I had the airball-caught-by-shooter-other-team-thinks-it's-travel play in my game today.

Coach: "He can't do that!"
Me: "Coach, what did the player do with the ball?"
Coach: "He shot it."
Me: "So that means he caught his own rebound."
Coach: "But what about 3 seconds."
Me: "That ends with the shot attempt."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I'll echo Adam...shameful that a veteran official would not know this. How much of a "veteran" is he anyway?

Probably one of those ones with 2 years of experience 10 times.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Probably one of those ones with 2 years of experience 10 times.

+1

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Upward ref]

Be nice now , it's only our church league ! I'm not much but I'm the only NFHS
Official in the building.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If you, your partner and everyone else in the gym believes it was a try, then it was a try and all the applicable rules apply...

Almost right. We really don't care what everyone else believes.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If you, your partner and everyone else in the gym believes it was a try, then it was a try and all the applicable rules apply...including the loss of team control when the ball was released.

I'll echo Adam...shameful that a veteran official would not know this. How much of a "veteran" is he anyway?

BTW Adam, I had the airball-caught-by-shooter-other-team-thinks-it's-travel play in my game today.

Coach: "He can't do that!"
Me: "Coach, what did the player do with the ball?"
Coach: "He shot it."
Me: "So that means he caught his own rebound."
Coach: "But what about 3 seconds."
Me: "That ends with the shot attempt."

Had a partner call it last year.

It was right in front of me (L in 2 man). I got with him quick and asked exactly what he had. We gave it back to A on the endline.

[Raymond]

Upward Ref has my email address and obviously didn't ask this local ref.

[BillyMac]

The intent of the three-second rule is to not allow an offensive player in the lane to gain an advantage. There is no three-second count between the release of a shot and the control of a rebound, at which time a new count starts. There is no three-second count during a throwin. There is no three-second count while the ball is in the backcourt. There is a three-second count during an interrupted dribble. There is a three-second count while an offensive player has one foot in the lane and one foot outside of the lane, and it’s a violation if the player lifts the foot in the lane so that neither foot is touching the paint. It’s a violation for a player to step out of bounds in an attempt to avoid a three second violation. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try for goal.

Note: The Mythbusters team includes the word "advantage" in the paragraph regarding three seconds. Many may want to ignore, or delete, the word "advantage". Less chance for a lengthly online debate that way.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

There is a three-second count while an offensive player has one foot in the lane and one foot outside of the lane, and it’s a violation if the player lifts the foot in the lane so that neither foot is touching the paint.

I don't believe you mean what you say in this sentence. Perhaps you mean that the three second count continues while the foot is above the key. But surely you don't call a violation for standing with a foot outside the key and a foot in the air above the key.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by youngump

I don't believe you mean what you say in this sentence. Perhaps you mean that the three second count continues while the foot is above the key. But surely you don't call a violation for standing with a foot outside the key and a foot in the air above the key.

To speak for Billy, he's absolutely saying that, because that's exactly what the rules state. How people and areas expect that to be called is another matter.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by youngump

I don't believe you mean what you say in this sentence. Perhaps you mean that the three second count continues while the foot is above the key. But surely you don't call a violation for standing with a foot outside the key and a foot in the air above the key.

If I would call it when the player has the foot on the court in the key, why wouldn't I call it if they lift the foot above that spot. By rule, the player hasn't left the key until both feet touch the floor outside the key.

Part of why the 3-second rule was written that way was to address a player who is gaining an advantage by having one foot outside of the lane but with the other well into the key. They can't simply lift the foot to avoid the count, they must move their body out of the key area (as demonstrated by both feet touching out).

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If I would call it when the player has the foot on the court in the key, why wouldn't I call it if they lift the foot above that spot. By rule, the player hasn't left the key until both feet touch the floor outside the key.

Part of why the 3-second rule was written that way was to address a player who is gaining an advantage by having one foot outside of the lane but with the other well into the key. They can't simply lift the foot to avoid the count, they must move their body out of the key area (as demonstrated by both feet touching out).

I think you misunderstood my complaint about Billy's wording.
No you wouldn't call this, you'd keep counting and call three seconds when you got to three (or 4 or 5 depending on your personal style ).
The wording of the sentence implies that it is a violation to life one foot out of the key. It is not a violation. It simply doesn't get the count to stop.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by youngump

I don't believe you mean what you say in this sentence. Perhaps you mean that the three second count continues while the foot is above the key. But surely you don't call a violation for standing with a foot outside the key and a foot in the air above the key.

youngump: Thanks for pointing this out. The part that you quoted is actually a recent (1/1/13) addition to the List Of Misunderstood Rules. I believe that I added it after reading a thread on the Forum about three seconds. Now that I read it more carefully, it's most certainly poorly worded, and I have changed the wording:

The intent of the three-second rule is to not allow an offensive player in the lane to gain an advantage. There is no three-second count between the release of a shot and the control of a rebound, at which time a new count starts. There is no three-second count during a throwin. There is no three-second count while the ball is in the backcourt. There is a three-second count during an interrupted dribble. There is a three-second count while an offensive player has one foot in the lane and one foot outside of the lane, and the three-second count continues if this player lifts the foot in the lane so that neither foot is touching inside the lane. To stop the count this player must have both feet touch the court outside of the lane. It’s a violation for a player to step out of bounds in an attempt to avoid a three second violation. Allowance shall be made for a player who, having been in the restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try for goal.

youngump: Great suggestion to improve the Misunderstood Rules list. Congratulations. You are now an official Mythbuster. You will soon be receiving your official Mythbuster badge, and your official Mythbuster decoder ring.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Upward Ref has my email address and obviously didn't ask this local ref.

He knows now.

Peace