To Correct or Not

[APG]

I'm sure we'd all agree that this isn't a backcourt violation per the "three points" rule. Now if you're the trail on this play, are you going to go over to the center/slot on this play and give him information?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm sure we'd all agree that this isn't a backcourt violation per the "three points" rule. Now if you're the trail on this play, are you going to go over to the center/slot on this play and give him information?

From ESPN's H.S. showcase...NFHS Rule 4-4-6 in action (kind of)

Since we played this game in March I already know what your answer is...go over to your partner.

I agree.

[tref]

Nearly 17 minutes have passed in a 19-15 ballgame (many of my HS games have point totals larger than that near the half) & the C has an immediate "gotcha" call in his 2ndary.
If I'm the T I'd simply say, "He never established all 3 points in the f/c."
What he chooses to do with that info is up to him. Tape shows me doing my job...

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Since we played this game in March

If the game was in December & the IC contributes to them losing by 1 they may not get to March.
I say make it right no matter what month it is.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by tref

If the game was in December & the IC contributes to them losing by 1 they may not get to March. I say make it right no matter what month it is.

I meant I posted the play originally in March By the way, back then you said:

Let him live & die with his ICC!! LOL

Change of heart now that it's summer or was that based on some folks at the time thinking the C was calling a palm?

[APG]

Well you can't honestly expect me to remember you posting the exact same thread in March!

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I meant I posted the play originally in March

Change of heart now that it's summer or was that based on some folks at the time thinking the C was calling a palm?

My badd... no, I'm in the "get the play right" camp probably just a shot at the "let him live & die with his IC" folks.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I'm sure we'd all agree that this isn't a backcourt violation per the "three points" rule. Now if you're the trail on this play, are you going to go over to the center/slot on this play and give him information?

I'll let those apparently directly involved contest this one, but I'm glad to have learned about that Matchup Officiating channel on YouTube. Great clips for personal study and association use. Thanx for that!

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Well you can't honestly expect me to remember you posting the exact same thread in March!

I'm just happy to remember things from last week :-)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by tref

My badd... no, I'm in the "get the play right" camp probably just a shot at the "let him live & die with his IC" folks.

We actually had a situation similar to this at camp this past weekend. I was the L so I wasn't involved but the C went over to the T after the T called backourt on a deflection situation and told the T the defense was the last to touch before the ball went over. T changed, we moved on and the observer was happy.

[JRutledge]

I would correct it at the T as this is my primary and I clearly would know if the player was in the FC or BC. I honestly do not know how the C in this particular case could make that call.

Peace

[johnny d]

as t i would come and offer c the info, after that choice is his. in regards to jrut question, i think the c thought there was going to be more pressure from the defensive player when the ball handler crossed halfcourt before he started moving towards the center of the court, so the c was anticipating having to move up and officiate that play.

[tref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

We actually had a situation similar to this at camp this past weekend. I was the L so I wasn't involved but the C went over to the T after the T called backourt on a deflection situation and told the T the defense was the last to touch before the ball went over. T changed, we moved on and the observer was happy.

What? The observer didnt want the C to wait for the T to ask

Originally Posted by johnny d

in regards to jrut question, i think the c thought there was going to be more pressure from the defensive player when the ball handler crossed halfcourt before he started moving towards the center of the court, so the c was anticipating having to move up and officiate that play.

Agreed, many times *we* try to show that we arent ball watching & miss plays high on the Cs side in transition. I think its good for the C to be fully aware of the ball & players in this situation & its okay if 4 eyes are on this play for a few seconds.
Where the C went wrong was not following the principles for calling in our 2ndary. He probably would've seen it better had he been actually trailing the play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I'm just happy to remember things from last week.

I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

as t i would come and offer c the info, after that choice is his. in regards to jrut question, i think the c thought there was going to be more pressure from the defensive player when the ball handler crossed halfcourt before he started moving towards the center of the court, so the c was anticipating having to move up and officiate that play.

My comments were not about what he was thinking, he was not in position to make that call. He was going way from the division line and clearly did not see the ball as well as the T would have. It was clearly the wrong call and he was going away from the play or he did not understand the rule. It would be one thing if he was standing right on the line to see the entire play. He could not have seen the play and guessed.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was clearly the wrong call and he was going away from the play or he did not understand the rule.

You know, JRut, as I look at the C on this play I think there's a chance the latter might be true (though I hope it isn't).

He was looking right at A1 when he - the dribbler - crossed the division line. I was going to say maybe he - the C - anticipated something was about to go wrong but the whistle didn't come until a second or so after A1 entered the front court...meaning the C had a chance to think about what happened.