Order of Free Throws

[The_Rookie]

Quick Question:

Player commits a foul that results in a one plus one. Before the free throws he jaws with an opposing player and I whack him for unsporting behavior.

What is the order of free throw admin.

1) one plus one

2) Two shot Tech

Logic: The order in which they occured

Thanks

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Quick Question:

Player commits a foul that results in a one plus one. Before the free throws he jaws with an opposing player and I whack him for unsporting behavior.

What is the order of free throw admin.

1) one plus one

2) Two shot Tech

Logic: The order in which they occured

Thanks

Do you own a NFHS Rules Book?

Your logic is confirmed at:
2010-2011 Fed Rules Book "Basketball Rules Fundamentals", page 71 #12

Full procedure as follows:

Have 2 fouls added to offending team's foul total, add personal and T to offending player's individual foul total

Clear the lane and direct all players save the shooter behind the 3pt line and FT line extended.

Fouled player shoots FT(s) for personal foul
Any team member(s) may shoot FTs for TF, even bench player(s)
If a sub is called from bench to shoot FT(s), player(s) they subbed for may not re-enter game til next dead ball. Shooter(s) coming from bench need not stay in game after shooting FT(s)
Administer throw-in to fouled team at division line opposite the table

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by justacoach

If a sub is called from bench to shoot FT(s), player(s) they subbed for may not re-enter game til next dead ball.

If paraphrased from the rule, that should read "may not re-enter the game until time has run off the clock", or something similar. (cf. 3-3-4: A player who has been replaced . . . shall not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his/her replacement.)

"Must sit a tick, but doesn't have to play a tick," as one wiser than I stated here.

There can be a difference between "after the clock has been started properly" and "the next dead ball."

Other than that, the orderliness of the order of free throws seems quite orderly.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Quick Question:

Player commits a foul that results in a one plus one. Before the free throws he jaws with an opposing player and I whack him for unsporting behavior.

What is the order of free throw admin.

1) one plus one

2) Two shot Tech

Logic: The order in which they occurred

Thanks

Also, remember that if the T is the team's 10th foul, you're still shooting 1-and-1, not double bonus, for the common foul. I dinged a varsity crew last year for exactly this error.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Freddy

"Must sit a tick, but doesn't have to play a tick,"

This works 99.9% of the time. Watch out for circumstances where there is a possibility of playing with less than five players.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by The_Rookie

Quick Question:

Player commits a foul that results in a one plus one. Before the free throws he jaws with an opposing player and I whack him for unsporting behavior.

What is the order of free throw admin.

1) one plus one

2) Two shot Tech

Logic: The order in which they occured

Thanks

As others have said, that's correct if you're using FED rules.

In NCAA, it would be the other way around.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

As others have said, that's correct if you're using FED rules.

In NCAA, it would be the other way around.

Unless of course, it's a single flagrant technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul. (NCAA-M)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tref

Unless of course, it's a single flagrant technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul. (NCAA-M)

But it wasn't, in the OP.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

But it wasn't, in the OP.

True.

The OP didnt state what code we were using either... I was just telling the whole story in regards to NCAA-M technical fouls.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by tref

True.

The OP didnt state what code we were using either... I was just telling the whole story in regards to NCAA-M technical fouls.

We pretty much assume all questions to be NFHS unless otherwise indicated.

[tref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

We pretty much assume all questions to be NFHS unless otherwise indicated.

Agreed, just clarifying the following:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In NCAA, it would be the other way around.

Originally Posted by tref

Unless of course, it's a single flagrant technical foul or a single contact dead ball technical foul. (NCAA-M)

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tref

Agreed, just clarifying the following:

No, you weren't clarifying, you were changing the case. For the two types of fouls in the OP, Bob gave the correct answer.

He wasn't trying to explain all the subtleties of technical fouls in NCAAM, he was answering the OP based on a different rule set. Your response was a non sequitur that did not advance the conversation.

[Huntin' Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

As others have said, that's correct if you're using FED rules.

In NCAA, it would be the other way around.

Bob, I am working a D2 NCAA-M game as the U2 this weekend and cannot find this in the rule/case books. Can you site it for me so I can make sense of this? I know you are correct, but I can't seem to find it in the book. Thanks in advance!!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Huntin' Ref

Bob, I am working a D2 NCAA-M game as the U2 this weekend and cannot find this in the rule/case books. Can you site it for me so I can make sense of this? I know you are correct, but I can't seem to find it in the book. Thanks in advance!!!

I don't feel like scanning through the rule book for a citation but it's pretty basic. Shoot the free throws for the T then resume at the POI, which would be the 1 + 1.

Working a D2 game you should know that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Huntin' Ref

Bob, I am working a D2 NCAA-M game as the U2 this weekend and cannot find this in the rule/case books. Can you site it for me so I can make sense of this? I know you are correct, but I can't seem to find it in the book. Thanks in advance!!!

4-53, especially 1e and 2c