Correcting your own call

[bainsey]

I'm the T and U, two man system.

There's a loose ball in the lane and "scrum." I see a tie up, wait a second or two, and call the held ball. Arrow points to Team B (who is on defense).

The R comes to me to communicate that actually, two players from Team A were fighting for the ball. I told him, in that case, I have no problem changing my call to an inadvertant whistle. The R says I shouldn't, because I already signaled the held ball. He's the R, so I relent and stick with my call. Team B's ball.

We talked about it more at halftime, and he really didn't want me with egg on my face by changing my call. Honestly, I don't care. I feel the reason we communicate is so we get it right. Had I gone with an inadvertant whistle, the worst that could happen would be a brief explanation to Team B's coach that his team never had the ball in the first place. I probably would have done a better job by "fixing it."

Thoughts?

[Terrapins Fan]

I've changed my call when I was wrong. Same thing happened to us Monday night, A1 and A2 fighting for the ball, we did a no call waiting for them to figure out they were on the same team.

But last week, I did a Block call, realized I was wrong, defender had position and changed it to a Charge.

Getting the call right is more important. I think.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I've changed my call when I was wrong. Same thing happened to us Monday night, A1 and A2 fighting for the ball, we did a no call waiting for them to figure out they were on the same team.

But last week, I did a Block call, realized I was wrong, defender had position and changed it to a Charge.

Getting the call right is more important. I think.

Changing a block call to a charge is a little different in my book. Probably wouldn't do that.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

But last week, I did a Block call, realized I was wrong, defender had position and changed it to a Charge.

...whew, is there an uglier changed call in all of basketball?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

But last week, I did a Block call, realized I was wrong, defender had position and changed it to a Charge.

But, let me understand this. It is permissible to do this, but it just looks ugly.
But if your partner had signaled the charge, you are not allowed to change yours, is that right?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

But, let me understand this. It is permissible to do this, but it just looks ugly.
But if your partner had signaled the charge, you are not allowed to change yours, is that right?

Will you get over that already!!!

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

But, let me understand this. It is permissible to do this, but it just looks ugly.
But if your partner had signaled the charge, you are not allowed to change yours, is that right?

Don Quixote', only if you honestly made a mistake. Otherwise it's called lying.

[Kelvin green]

So two Team A members are "scrumming with the ball" and you call it a jump.

What is worse explaining that you messed up? or trying to explain how they lost the ball on ajump when Team B was no where in the play and then you T the A coach up because we cant get it right, afraid to admit a mistake, or appear to be too arrogant to listen?

and how do you explain to CoachB he got a jump ball and lost the arrow for the next time he legitimately does tie it up?

R is setting up the crew for failure. How does R react to Coach A when he asks but you saw two team A players with the ball and allowed partner to get it wrong? (Especially when he comes in and tells you) Everyone in the gym knows what your talking about. He loese all credabbility with both coaches because we cant get it right. Coach B is no dummy and will be wondering what else we are afraid to fix.

Compounded if all of this is on video

No Guts No glory.

GIGDGO and GIR

[APG]

Instead of one mistake, it becomes a cluster**** by depriving Team A of the ball, giving Team B the ball, AND making Team B use its arrow.

I don't understand what your R is saying. By not changing the call with the additional information, all he's done is add more "egg" to yours and the entire crew's face. With his line of thinking, he wouldn't want you to change an out of bounds call if he clearly had information that was contrary to your call.

If I was in your situation, as soon as my partner(s) give me that information, I'm blowing my whistle and changing the call.

Me: "Jump ball...Team B's ball"
P: "We've got two Team A players with the ball."
Me: "You're right..." *Tweet* A's ball

Doing it quickly like that wouldn't give this R a chance to change the call since he's all about "egg" on people's face and I'm assuming he wouldn't want any on his face.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm the T and U, two man system.

There's a loose ball in the lane and "scrum." I see a tie up, wait a second or two, and call the held ball. Arrow points to Team B (who is on defense).

The R comes to me to communicate that actually, two players from Team A were fighting for the ball. I told him, in that case, I have no problem changing my call to an inadvertant whistle. The R says I shouldn't, because I already signaled the held ball. He's the R, so I relent and stick with my call. Team B's ball.

We talked about it more at halftime, and he really didn't want me with egg on my face by changing my call. Honestly, I don't care. I feel the reason we communicate is so we get it right. Had I gone with an inadvertant whistle, the worst that could happen would be a brief explanation to Team B's coach that his team never had the ball in the first place. I probably would have done a better job by "fixing it."

Thoughts?

I am little tired of people saying the "R" said I shouldn't do something so we didn't. Grow a pair and make a call...or in this case change "your" call. When the game starts we are a crew and not a R, U1 (U2). Make the right call, not the popular or easy call.

[Indianaref]

No prob with changing a violation call, however, a foul call is a different story all together.

[RobbyinTN]

Originally Posted by indianaref

no prob with changing a violation call, however, a foul call is a different story all together.

+1

[kyref10]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I am little tired of people saying the "R" said I shouldn't do something so we didn't. Grow a pair and make a call...or in this case change "your" call. When the game starts we are a crew and not a R, U1 (U2). Make the right call, not the popular or easy call.

+1

Just this week I had a game where as transitioning to the new lead we had the long up the court pass. As the play develops I can see a crash getting ready to happen. Classic, A1 looking back for the pass running up the court B1 getting into legal guarding position. A1 catches the ball takes a step as he is turning up court B1 is there....crash. I come out with player control. B1 on the ground ( actually head bleeding where the tooth of A1 caught him in the forehead). As coach and trainer are coming on the floor my partner comes up to me and says "You know you can just as easily come out of there with a walk and no foul has to be given." I simply said, it was a foul. He then went on to explain that if you call a walk in that situation really neither coach says much because you can't really tell because it happens so fast.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by kyref10

+1

Just this week I had a game where as transitioning to the new lead we had the long up the court pass. As the play develops I can see a crash getting ready to happen. Classic, A1 looking back for the pass running up the court B1 getting into legal guarding position. A1 catches the ball takes a step as he is turning up court B1 is there....crash. I come out with player control. B1 on the ground ( actually head bleeding where the tooth of A1 caught him in the forehead). As coach and trainer are coming on the floor my partner comes up to me and says "You know you can just as easily come out of there with a walk and no foul has to be given." I simply said, it was a foul. He then went on to explain that if you call a walk in that situation really neither coach says much because you can't really tell because it happens so fast.

You are right...I could call a travel...but he didn't travel. I will go with the foul. Thanks for offering information. The travel call here is just any easy way out of not making a tough call, and both coaches aren't always happy with the travel call.

[kyref10]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

You are right...I could call a travel...but he didn't travel. I will go with the foul. Thanks for offering information. The travel call here is just any easy way out of not making a tough call, and both coaches aren't always happy with the travel call.

That is basically what I told him, he didn't travel.