DOG Technical Foul??

[Gargil]

A JV boys game. Early in the game team A was given a delay of game warning for reaching over endline and contacting the ball in the throwers hand. Late in the game after a timeout team A was given first horn warning and then second horn lets go. With team A still in huddle the official whacks team A with a T for delay of game. I thought the correct way to handle this was to make the ball available for the throw in and start counting or let team B go with it. Please advise how you would handle this.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Gargil

A JV boys game. Early in the game team A was given a delay of game warning for reaching over endline and contacting the ball in the throwers hand.

This should also have been a T.

Late in the game after a timeout team A was given first horn warning and then second horn lets go. With team A still in huddle the official whacks team A with a T for delay of game. I thought the correct way to handle this was to make the ball available for the throw in and start counting or let team B go with it. Please advise how you would handle this.

This is not a "warning" situation listed in 4-47

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

This should also have been a T.



This is not a "warning" situation listed in 4-47

Bob, then you agree that resumption of play procedure should have been used?

[FishinRef]

A JV boys game. Early in the game team A was given a delay of game warning for reaching over endline and contacting the ball in the throwers hand. Late in the game after a timeout team A was given first horn warning and then second horn lets go. With team A still in huddle the official whacks team A with a T for delay of game. I thought the correct way to handle this was to make the ball available for the throw in and start counting or let team B go with it. Please advise how you would handle this.

First off - Contacting the ball as described is a Technical foul not a delay. Simply breaking the plane by the defender is a delay of game.
Secondly - I would do as you stated and set the ball on the floor and start my count.

Just my 2 cents

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by FishinRef

Secondly - I would do as you stated and set the ball on the floor and start my count.

AKA...ROP (Resumption of play)

[Loudwhistle]

This should also have been a T.

Bob,
This T also counts as the first delay of game as well? In other words, later in the game a player reaches through the plane on a throw in contacting nothing this would result in a T.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

This should also have been a T.

Bob,
This T also counts as the first delay of game as well? In other words, later in the game a player reaches through the plane on a throw in contacting nothing this would result in a T.

You are correct. Call the T, have the scorer record the DOG in the book. Then tell the coach, "Yes, coach, normally you'd be right. It would have just been a warning if your player hadn't actually slapped the ball."

[Gargil]

If you were the partner of the calling Official would you just discuss this at half or after game or step in and make correction? I did not know the ball was actually contacted when he gave the DOG warning but I wanted to step in on the technical foul for not coming out of the huddle, but being a newer Official I did nothing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Gargil

If you were the partner of the calling Official would you just discuss this at half or after game or step in and make correction? I did not know the ball was actually contacted when he gave the DOG warning but I wanted to step in on the technical foul for not coming out of the huddle, but being a newer Official I did nothing.

If it's a rules issue and a break in the action, we should always try to get it right rather than bringing it back to the locker room.

If you're younger / newer /not sure, you could use a phrase like, "Are you sure..." or "I thought ..." or even "what do you have?" -- sometime when the person is asked to explain it, they realize the error.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Gargil

If you were the partner of the calling Official would you just discuss this at half or after game or step in and make correction? I did not know the ball was actually contacted when he gave the DOG warning but I wanted to step in on the technical foul for not coming out of the huddle, but being a newer Official I did nothing.

I'm not sure I'd step in here, but I anticipate the word of those with more experience than I.

[Mark Padgett]

Newbies - carve this into your forehead (backwards, so you can read it in a mirror). When you give out a technical for a defensive player reaching across the line and contacting the ball before it is released toward the court, it's also a DOG warning. If it's the first of the game against that team and they get another one for just reaching across the line (or any other DOG warning) then that's the second one and it's a team technical.

Be sure to make the letters small enough so they all fit.