The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:35pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 275
At what point...

I come to realize this forum is part improving rules/mechanics knowledge, part therapy. This one might be mostly therapy.

I worked with a guy last weekend who is a good official, nice guy, and does a good job, but our chemistry on the court is bad. I feel like we are seeing two different games. Because of how our games are assigned, I only work with him 2 - 3 times a year. I walk away frustrated every time. This past weekend, I finally said him, "Hey Bob, listen you're good official, you call a good game, I recognize you are wanting to move up the ranks. I am not here to hold you back, I do this for the camaraderie and being involved in the game. I'll work hard tonight to do a good job." His response, "Yep, lets have a good game." After the game, we always post game and while he never complains about his partners or calls, I feel the tension.

I feel like no matter what, we just won't be in synch with one another. At what point do I ask our assignor to remove me with the idea that its not personal, just better for the schools if we don't work together? I'm old enough to realize that in life, everything isn't perfect. At the same time I recognize that this isn't ultimately good for our crew or the teams we officiate.
__________________
"They don't play the game because we show up to officiate it"
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:38pm
Stubborn Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,517
I think it's great that you recognize that your partnership with this guy is a detriment to the game. It sounds like you should let the assignor know right away. I don't think you should be removed, just make sure that you two no longer work games together.

Officiating should not be a burden. We don't make nearly enough money to go into a game feeling like "damn, I don't want to do this".

Hopefully you have an assignor that doesn't see this in a negative way.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:56pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 529
Just block him. You'll never get another game with him, he'll be none the wiser and your assignor may even be none the wiser.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 12:18am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,966
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
Just block him. You'll never get another game with him, he'll be none the wiser and your assignor may even be none the wiser.
You do realize that many (most?) assigners don't just allow officials to block partners no questions asked, right?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:31am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: 3 hrs east of the western time zone
Posts: 895
Pack,

As a hs assigner I would suggest that you NOT BLOCK partners. This is high school athletics and if you begin to BLOCK partners, you can come across as a bit high maintenance. If you feel things aren't clicking and it makes you feel uncomfortable, then have a conversation with your assigner. I'm sure he will listen and appreciate your concerns as opposed to you just blocking him in the arbiter.
__________________
Go ugly early, avoid the rush !!!!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:20am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 391
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
Just block him. You'll never get another game with him, he'll be none the wiser and your assignor may even be none the wiser.
Does anyone know...if an official blocks a partner/team/site who--if anyone--sees it? Or, when the assignor tries to assign that official to a specific site or with a specific partner, does Arbiter just splash some type of notification that something was blocked?

Just curious...
__________________
Dan R.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 09:53am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,966
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danvrapp View Post
Does anyone know...if an official blocks a partner/team/site who--if anyone--sees it? Or, when the assignor tries to assign that official to a specific site or with a specific partner, does Arbiter just splash some type of notification that something was blocked?

Just curious...
Assigners control that functionality on Arbiter. They can change the settings to allow or not allow those types of blocks.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 10:35am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 391
Quote:
Originally Posted by SC Official View Post
Assigners control that functionality on Arbiter. They can change the settings to allow or not allow those types of blocks.
Right, but if I block some official or some place, does the assignor know who blocked whom or is there a more general message to the effect of "one of these officials is unable to be assigned to this game..."
__________________
Dan R.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 10:52am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: FL
Posts: 169
Communicated like this, how could any assigner not respect your concerns? It gives him/her information needed to make good decisions going forward. And if the assigned with that partner again, I'd make the best of it, knowing that my concerns were heard.

Good luck!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:03am
LRZ LRZ is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: SE PA
Posts: 768
I am curious: what is the source of the tension? A difference in how tight or loose to call games?
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:14am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 546
Quote:
Originally Posted by LRZ View Post
I am curious: what is the source of the tension? A difference in how tight or loose to call games?
That was my question too. The statement "I recognize you are wanting to move up the ranks. I am not here to hold you back, I do this for the camaraderie and being involved in the game." makes me wonder what part of your normal approach is so out of the ordinary that it would hold someone back?
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 02:11pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by HokiePaul View Post
That was my question too. The statement "I recognize you are wanting to move up the ranks. I am not here to hold you back, I do this for the camaraderie and being involved in the game." makes me wonder what part of your normal approach is so out of the ordinary that it would hold someone back?
Appreciate all of the feedback thus far.

In the past he has made comments such as "I'm working on moving up to the next level, high school games are a way for me to get exposure." "We have to do a good job as a crew, we get rated by officials as a group." "Did you like your call on X play? I thought you missed it, those are the kinds of things that for me I have to get right."

We have a number of officials who see high school basketball as a stepping stone. I am okay with that, they have different ambitions in life. I married a pretty girl, have a family and a good career. Basketball is my escape from my boss wanting my TPS reports done sooner. Its 32 minutes on the court, but we all know that if you are invested in it, its pre-game and post game time with our partners. And I spend the majority of my travel to and from games mentally preparing or reviewing. So to JRuts comment, I think its more than just a difference of calls in those 32 minutes.
__________________
"They don't play the game because we show up to officiate it"
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 03:28pm
LRZ LRZ is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: SE PA
Posts: 768
Quote:
Originally Posted by packersowner View Post
In the past he has made comments such as "I'm working on moving up to the next level, high school games are a way for me to get exposure." "We have to do a good job as a crew, we get rated by officials as a group." "Did you like your call on X play? I thought you missed it, those are the kinds of things that for me I have to get right."
OK, now I think I get it--he's passive-aggressively questioning your judgment. I work with some officials like that. I generally can ignore the tacit criticism.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 24, 2018, 03:43pm
Do not give a damn!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: On the border
Posts: 30,553
Quote:
Originally Posted by packersowner View Post

We have a number of officials who see high school basketball as a stepping stone. I am okay with that, they have different ambitions in life. I married a pretty girl, have a family and a good career. Basketball is my escape from my boss wanting my TPS reports done sooner. Its 32 minutes on the court, but we all know that if you are invested in it, its pre-game and post-game time with our partners. And I spend the majority of my travel to and from games mentally preparing or reviewing. So to JRuts comment, I think its more than just a difference of calls in those 32 minutes.
Again, I get it on some level. But if you are only working with a person 2 or 3 times a year, that is not very many times. And even if you pre-game or post-game with someone, that again is not very much time. Actually, I am probably with a person on a varsity game only about a couple of hours that night. In your OP, you did not describe any of the other comments. That is why I was confused what the issue was.

We all have personality conflicts. We all have bad experiences. Kind of comes with the territory. We are dealing with people and people do not always see eye to eye on many things.

I guess if you want to block him, then do that. If you have the ability to do that, then click the button or make the call to make that happen. I just think sometimes that is an extreme way to deal with people that if you do this long enough will be many more people you will not want to work with. Just get through it and go home or like Mick used to say, "Get in, Get Done and Get out." How many games are you working a year and 2 or 3 times are that bad you cannot work less than probably 5 percent of your schedule?

Peace
__________________
Let us get into "Good Trouble."
-----------------------------------------------------------
Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010)
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Thu Jan 25, 2018, 12:04am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 529
Some people are just douches and life is too short. Block them. No apologies or explanation necessary. There are many officials and many games. Life will go on for you and for your assignor without you having to do a game with a blocked individual.

And you won't be missing out on anything, because any game this individual(s) does, you wouldn't want to have done with him anyway.

Block ... him.

If your assignor offers the option, take it. If there's a limit to the number of partners you can block, block right up to that limit. You can avoid A LOT of cringing, dread and train-wreck games with weak/obstinate/douche partners this way.

You'll enjoy your seasons a lot more knowing that you'll never get games with these people. Trust me.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
To Point or Not To Point EsqUmp Softball 1 Fri Apr 27, 2012 09:38am
Three (3) point attempt made, then changed to a 2 point goal johnny1784 Basketball 24 Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:25am
Getting Your Point Across umpire99 Baseball 34 Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:48pm
What's the Point? tarheelcoach Basketball 63 Thu Jan 27, 2005 04:32pm
at what point George Heagerty Basketball 14 Mon Dec 27, 1999 04:03pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:11pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1