Ball hits player already out of bounds

[Coach Bill]

Played in a pick-up game last night. On a rebound, the ball got deflected and hit a player (A1) already out of bounds. The ball didn't bounce out of bounds first - it hit him in the air.

I know this is out of bounds off A1. But, there was an argument, and I promised to send the rule reference / case to back me up.

Could someone please provide? Thanks!

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Played in a pick-up game last night. On a rebound, the ball got deflected and hit a player (A1) already out of bounds. The ball didn't bounce out of bounds first - it hit him in the air.

I know this is out of bounds off A1. But, there was an argument, and I promised to send the rule reference / case to back me up.

Could someone please provide? Thanks!

An official arguing with a player? So it ain't so

RULE 7 OUT OF BOUNDS AND THE THROW-IN
Section 1 Out-of-Bounds - Player, Ball
ART.2...The ball is out of bounds when it touches:
a.) A player who is out of bounds.

[zm1283]

I don't have my rule book handy, but tell them that the ball isn't out of bounds until it hits something out of bounds, whether that be the floor, the wall, bleachers, etc. If it hits a player while they're standing out of bounds, they are the last one to touch it when it went out of bounds.

Who are these clowns you're arguing with?

[Coach Bill]

Just a bunch of knuckleheads that believe all the old wives' tales.

[Camron Rust]

Here is the complete set of relevant rules.

RULE 7 OUT OF BOUNDS AND THROW-IN
SECTION 1 OUT-OF-BOUNDS - PLAYER, BALL
ART. 1 . . . A player is out of bounds when he or she touches the floor, or any object other than a player, on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, see 4-35.
ART. 2 . . . The ball is out of bounds when it touches:
a. A player who is out of bounds.

SECTION 2 CAUSING THE BALL TO GO OUT OF BOUNDS
ART. 1 . . . The ball is caused to go out of bounds by the last player to touch or to be touched by it, before it goes out, provided it is out of bounds because of touching something other than a player.
ART. 2 . . . If the ball is out of bounds because of touching or being touched by a player who is on or outside a boundary line, such player causes it to go out.

RULE 9 VIOLATIONS
SECTION 3 OUT OF BOUNDS
A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

An official arguing with a player? So it ain't so

RULE 7 OUT OF BOUNDS AND THE THROW-IN
Section 1 Out-of-Bounds - Player, Ball
ART.2...The ball is out of bounds when it touches:
a.) A player who is out of bounds.

I bet the argument was not that it wasn't OOB but about who caused it to be OOB...the person who threw it off something (a player) that was OOB or the player who was OOB.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I bet the argument was not that it wasn't OOB but about who caused it to be OOB...the person who threw it off something (a player) that was OOB or the player who was OOB.

That was exactly the argument. Tipped off someone jumping for a rebound, and it landed on a guy already out of bounds. "Couldn't have been off him, he was already out of bounds!".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Just a bunch of knuckleheads that believe all the old wives' tales.

I'm lucky, I play pick up ball 1-2 times a week here on base. One of the other regulars is one of my mentors and he's a D1 official. Our group of players has learned to not even to argue on rules anymore. Now if I can just convince the fellas that it's not "boxing out" when you use your back and a$$ to push someone 5 feet from the basket during a rebound, especially when the person you're pushing is airborne.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm lucky, I play pick up ball 1-2 times a week here on base. One of the other regulars is one of my mentors and he's a D1 official. Our group of players has learned to not even to argue on rules anymore. Now if I can just convince the fellas that it's not "boxing out" when you use your back and a$$ to push someone 5 feet from the basket during a rebound, especially when the person you're pushing is airborne.

I also play in the offseason and had a situation yesterday most of you'll all laugh at. Most people in the gym simply accept what I say as gold...but there is one guy that thinks he's God's gift to basketball....

A3 gets an offensive rebound at the FT line and turns to the top to pass the ball to his teammate. His teammate has one foot in the backcourt (specifically...toes at/on the line with the heel completely in the backcourt). He dribbled forward and passed to a teammate who shot.... (no one on the court said anything)

I was watching that game (not saying anything) and another guy who was also watching said to me "That's over-and-back isn't it?" I confirmed. He said to the player, "we'll let you slide on that one".

After a couple of basic words back and forth between them, this guy claims that he knows it is OK to have one foot on the line in HS rules because he "used to ref".

I respond with "How sure are you of that? I'll put money down that it is illegal in every US based rule set. How much? $20? $50? $100?..." I can't remember how high I got but it was in the hundreds I was about to even give him 2:1 odds, but he was curiously silent....he didn't seem so sure any more. I was hoping to make a few bucks but he wouldn't bite.

He does this a time or two a year...I've even sent him copies of NBA, NCAA, and HS rules on certain topics, he never replies. :|

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

That was exactly the argument. Tipped off someone jumping for a rebound, and it landed on a guy already out of bounds. "Couldn't have been off him, he was already out of bounds!".

You sure the dolt who said this isn't actually a HS coach????

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

You sure the dolt who said this isn't actually a HS coach????

Hmmm. It's preseason, he's a basketball coach. Might be one of his players or assistant coaches?

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Just a bunch of knuckleheads that believe all the old wives' tales.

Tell them that they are not playing rugby. I know, some wreck league might be confused with it, but you can always look at the ball.

In rugby, if a player out of bounds touches the ball, the last player touching it on the field has caused the ball to go OOB. The rule about being OOB is similar.

Ciao

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Played in a pick-up game last night. On a rebound, the ball got deflected and hit a player, A1, already out of bounds. The ball didn't bounce out of bounds first, it hit him in the air. I know this is out of bounds off A1. But, there was an argument, and I promised to send the rule reference to back me up.

Whoever argued that the ball should go to the team who last touched it before it hit A1 must be very old. About thirty years ago, when a ball was thrown such that the ball hit a player who was out of bounds, it was ruled to be out of bounds off the team that threw the ball, because they caused it to go out of bounds.

Really.

Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will kindly make a trip up to his attic library to confirm this for us. He might be the only Forum member old enough to remember this rule, since, as far as I know, dirt is not a Forum member.

[NICK]

A1 inbounding the ball, B1 on defense, on court, blocks the ball back onto A1 who is still out of bounds. A team ball. Almost the same scenario.
cheers

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by NICK

A1 inbounding the ball, B1 on defense, on court, blocks the ball back onto A1 who is still out of bounds. A team ball. Almost the same scenario.
cheers

Are you saying it would be A's ball?

Think again.