Rulings

[chapmaja]

NFHS Rules - What's the call.

Sit. 1 S5 is back to serve. As she contacts the serve a ball from another court rolls onto the court and under the net. The R1 stops play and signals for a replay, Team B then executes a libero replacement.

Sit 2 S5 is back to serve. After she hits the ball, R2 signals the Team R out of rotation, and the ball fails to cross the net legally. Team R's coach questions the call and the R2 realizes his call was incorrect. What's the call?

Sit 3. S5 tosses the ball to serve and swings and misses. Team R then executes a libero replacement. What's the call?

[Insane Blue]

Here is how I would rule without looking in the rulebook..

Sit. 1 S5 is back to serve. As she contacts the serve a ball from another court rolls onto the court and under the net. The R1 stops play and signals for a replay, Team B then executes a libero replacement.
legal replacement as the ball is whistled dead and you have a replay.

Sit 2 S5 is back to serve. After she hits the ball, R2 signals the Team R out of rotation, and the ball fails to cross the net legally. Team R's coach questions the call and the R2 realizes his call was incorrect. What's the call?
Replay as the ref killed the play before the ball hit the ground.

Sit 3. S5 tosses the ball to serve and swings and misses. Team R then executes a libero replacement. What's the call?
Illegal as this is a reserve and the beckon from the first serve means no Subs until the play finishes.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Here is how I would rule without looking in the rulebook..

Sit. 1 S5 is back to serve. As she contacts the serve a ball from another court rolls onto the court and under the net. The R1 stops play and signals for a replay, Team B then executes a libero replacement.
legal replacement as the ball is whistled dead and you have a replay.

Sit 2 S5 is back to serve. After she hits the ball, R2 signals the Team R out of rotation, and the ball fails to cross the net legally. Team R's coach questions the call and the R2 realizes his call was incorrect. What's the call?
Replay as the ref killed the play before the ball hit the ground.

Sit 3. S5 tosses the ball to serve and swings and misses. Team R then executes a libero replacement. What's the call?
Illegal as this is a reserve and the beckon from the first serve means no Subs until the play finishes.

2 out of 3 correct. The one you missed is one I likely would have missed as well. I will see if anyone else answers before I give the correct answers.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

2 out of 3 correct. The one you missed is one I likely would have missed as well. I will see if anyone else answers before I give the correct answers.

#2 - illegal alignment is determined at the moment of contact of the serve per 6-4-3-b, so the R2's immediate whistle of the fault is correct

[FMadera]

2 is just a missed serve. Inadvertent whistle did not affect play in this case.

[oldsetter]

Or to rephrase it: The inadvertent whistle did not cause the serve to become a fault. Loss of rally.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

NFHS Rules - What's the call.

Sit. 1 S5 is back to serve. As she contacts the serve a ball from another court rolls onto the court and under the net. The R1 stops play and signals for a replay, Team B then executes a libero replacement.

Sit 2 S5 is back to serve. After she hits the ball, R2 signals the Team R out of rotation, and the ball fails to cross the net legally. Team R's coach questions the call and the R2 realizes his call was incorrect. What's the call?

Sit 3. S5 tosses the ball to serve and swings and misses. Team R then executes a libero replacement. What's the call?

1 - as long as they didn't also make a libero replacement before this serve, this is legal.
2 - replay
3 - no, this is not a time where they can make a libero replacement.

[MD Longhorn]

I now see you're saying I would have missed number 2. Is this ruleset dependent? I can't find it right now in the USAV book. I don't do NFHS. Can you quote the rule or ruling? Your answer makes logical sense, but being an official, I like to see it in writing.

(PS - I ref all those other sports at the top. I don't ref volleyball - I coach and own a club).

[oldsetter]

I don't have my books with me right now...it is the horn or inadvertent whistle that does not effect play. This is not a replay, just like a ball rolling on the court is not an automatic replay in any rule set. this action did not affect the result. Blowing a whistle while the setter is setting...well, there you go.

casebook 9.8.1 sit C.

Note: The rule book under 9.8.1 states bla,,,bla,,,bla. A replay MAY be declared when: a. A referee's inadvertent whistle or a timer's audio signal INTERRUPTS play;

Caps for MY emphasis. The whistle did not make the server serve into the net...

You have to read the casebook. The rule book has lots of pitfalls....and (my soap box) and there are several quirky things that could be improved.

[bbsbvb83]

Here is a closely related question from the IHSA (Illinois) test. NFHS Rules.

Team A's #10 serves the ball. At the moment of serve, the R2 whistles an illegal alignment on Team B. The served ball does not cross the net. It is then discovered that Team B players were legally aligned. What is the official's ruling?

A. Replay
B. Point for Team A
C. Net serve by Team A and Team B is awarded a point/loss of rally.
D. None of the above.

Here is my issue with this question:

If the R2 whistled at the exact moment of the serve (server's hand was still contacting the ball when the whistle sounded), an argument could be made that the whistle interfered with the server's action. Thus, a replay (A) should be awarded.

However, if the server had already completed her contact with the ball when the whistle sounded, I would rule a net serve (C).

Fortunately, this was not one of the 25 questions I had to answer on my individual test. Have any Illinois officials on this forum had to answer this question? One test question has already been thrown out because it was worded so poorly. I am wondering what answer the state is accepting as correct for this question.

[oldsetter]

So your issue is with a poorly worded question, not the rule. I feel ya' brother. At least we know the rule.

[FMadera]

Originally Posted by bbsbvb83

Here is a closely related question from the IHSA (Illinois) test. NFHS Rules.

Team A's #10 serves the ball. At the moment of serve, the R2 whistles an illegal alignment on Team B. The served ball does not cross the net. It is then discovered that Team B players were legally aligned. What is the official's ruling?

A. Replay
B. Point for Team A
C. Net serve by Team A and Team B is awarded a point/loss of rally.
D. None of the above.

Here is my issue with this question:

If the R2 whistled at the exact moment of the serve (server's hand was still contacting the ball when the whistle sounded), an argument could be made that the whistle interfered with the server's action. Thus, a replay (A) should be awarded.

However, if the server had already completed her contact with the ball when the whistle sounded, I would rule a net serve (C).

Fortunately, this was not one of the 25 questions I had to answer on my individual test. Have any Illinois officials on this forum had to answer this question? One test question has already been thrown out because it was worded so poorly. I am wondering what answer the state is accepting as correct for this question.

The correct answer is still a net serve. I had this question on my exam and got it correct.

For you to rule replay, you'd have to find a way to act as if the whistle was the reason the serve didn't clear the net. Also, the question doesn't say "exact moment," it just says moment. Don't read too much into it.

It's an incorrect/inadvertent whistle that had no affect on the result of the play. For it to have, the referee would have had to start the whistle before the contact of serve, the sound travel to the server, who then would have to interpret that the whistle means stop, etc. Don't look for trouble or more than what's there.