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Old Wed Oct 01, 2008, 09:02pm
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Last Thursday night I picked up a game from a friend that double booked. It's homecoming at both schools so both teams want to get to the festivities. We start JV game at 5:15. To save time by mutual consent coaches agree to a cap of 25 in first two games and 15 for third. I am R2. First 25-24, second 25-23 and third one 15-14. Man were they fun for JV.
Varsity game. I'm R1. Regular rules. First game visitors won 25-19. Second game Home wins 25-23. Third game home is up 12-2 at one point. Visitors come back and win 26-24. Great games. Big, new, well lit, spacious gym. Air conditioned gym! Great sportsmanship from everyone. It was soooo much fun!
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Old Fri Oct 03, 2008, 01:27pm
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Old Sat Oct 04, 2008, 07:34pm
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rnr, I see only one problem in what was done. I don't believe that the coaches have the authority to institute a "cap" on games in a match unless your state HS association allows that to be done. Since JV is governed under NFHS rules, IMHO, the winner is required to win by 2 points and only the second game met that criteria. With the scores that you posted, playing until someone actually won by 2, anyone could have legally won the match rather than the way that it was decided. As always, YMMV.
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Old Sat Oct 04, 2008, 11:29pm
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I have been told on a number of occasions and for different sports that NFHS only governs Varsity sports. That may just be a VA thing, but we can so what we want (or the coaches want) in the JV games around here. 3out of 3 is the example that comes to mind. Often making me wonder if the 3rd game is necc. when the first 2 are 25-5, 25-9.
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Old Sun Oct 05, 2008, 04:43am
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outathm, usually the state association decides on any deviations from the national rules set. It is usually NOT left up to individual coaches or schools to decide on rules variations.
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Old Sun Oct 05, 2008, 07:33am
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outathm, usually the state association decides on any deviations from the national rules set. It is usually NOT left up to individual coaches or schools to decide on rules variations.
That's true, and moreover the scope of state rulings is generally limited by FED.
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Old Sun Oct 05, 2008, 07:51am
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Just my 2 cents here, but I was recently at a match (I was not officiating) at which the Freshman match preceded the JV/V matches. When the teams split the first two sets, the coaches agreed that the 3rd would be to only 10 points, in order to keep the JV/V matches on schedule.

I think below the varsity level (since the standings don't really count for anything), there's much more flexibility given to coaches and officials to do what they feel is best for the match.
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Old Sun Oct 05, 2008, 11:19am
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Our state association says a match format can be deviated for tournaments and subvarsity matches. I ask the coaches what they want to do during the captain's meeting.
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Old Sun Oct 05, 2008, 12:02pm
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I understand that most states govern all levels of HS sports and use NFHS. That is why i said 'It might be a VA thing'. I just know that there are a number of different rule sets in a number of different sports that have nothing to do with NFHS and the varying governing bodies, down to teams playing, can sometimes change a rule. Unless it is a set NFHS rule that someone is misapplying, to say they did something wrong may not be the best route to take.
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Our association covers three counties in lower NY State, and in the one county, it is almost standard practice for the 7/8 grade teams to play four, five, sometimes SIX sets to get a lot of game experience for their players - which is great for us, as we get a real nice fee for it - about $100 each for the double match, and like 90 for the five set match ! There is one school where the coach always has about 30 kids suited up, so she almost HAS to play a double match!

My first year, I got assigned to that school in an emergency situation - by myself! Made $174 for that one trip! I ALMOST sweated, too.....
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Old Thu Oct 09, 2008, 09:57am
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Stories like these makes me want to quit my day job....
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Old Sun Oct 12, 2008, 10:02pm
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It was a great night. The best VB night I have ever had.
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